BRCA EB Battery Regs Announced

[KevLee]

Originally Posted by spenner

Yes i can run Lipo in the Pred, BUT that is with me chopping the chassis to bits. Sticking filler in holes etc...

Who's modifying your pred Spenner ? And its hardly chopping the chassis apart, its just 3 new holes..... but you wouldn't know that would you

[warped]

What dissapoints me is that rule 2.6 still only includes nicd / nimh starter packs and not lipo.

I have budget 20c lipos bought for £25, which are more than adequate for my purposes. - They comply with all the specs but the manufacturer never submitted them for homologation last year, and I dont expect them to as they're not really aimed at the racing market.

This has always been the case with budget cells.

Last time I checked all the cells on the touring car lipo list were significantly more expensive.

Why should I be able to run low end nimh cells which aren't homologated, but not LIPO?

Hopefully this can be changed at next years agm.

[Northy]

What packs are those Warped?

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[mark christopher]

as i see it the only way now is for the 10th off road section, comitee to make the decision to relax the rule on cells and not follow the eb, the eb seem set in their ways, the comittee need to do whats best for the section, not the eb!!!

the rules as they stand now not only effect trakpower, but other companies.
its not like there have been any problems with any of the cells in use, nor has there been any performance advantage! those who run 3200 saddles and not loosing out to those running 4800 stick packs

[ashleyb4]

I think we should see what happens i was a little heated earlier Sorry

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[Kopite]

The most important thing here is to do whatever encourages more people into the hobby, and keeps exisiting people interested in the hobby.

In the current financial climate, the numbers that continue to race could dwindle quite considerably this year. To not allow the saddle LiPo's for the coming year could be really detrimental to the ongoing interest in this hobby

[SHY]

Does anyone with liasons to the EB know what they have in the works?

Are they talking to any associated manufacturers?

Do they expect any manufacturer to make legal saddles in time for the LiPo list? (Which I guess will be released mid february?)

Why not inform the public?

The EB list will effect every EFRA member country in Europe.

Even racers are very confused about this in Scandinavia. For the local racers in Norway it's easy as we chose over here to allow the ROAR list as well. But once you go racing internationally you're stuck with EFRA rules again...

No matter what type of batteries you use in 1:10 OR, it would never ever be an advantage! So in fact there's not really any need to inspect batteries at all! The only valid argument as I see it is as to safety...

[KeithA]

Just my initial thoughts - I read a few posts back that the Reedy saddle pack should be OK (which it should on length, ie. 2 x 69mm = 138mm) but I think the height rule has also been reduced from 25mm to 23.5mm which would make this saddle pack and some of the other stick Lipos on the TC list (Reedy/Core) too high.

[Belsten]

Originally Posted by Chrislong

Perhaps its not about just doing it, but lead time of changing production lines, modifying moulds, automated machinery - making, testing and passing samples before sending out to the EB - then before we get them, clearing out stock which overnight has become obsolete, modifying that stock and then packaging, and shipping it out to the shops (don't forget a lot of stuff is made oversea's).

25 days is not a lot of time.

I agree, its only actually 18 working days though, cant see them laying on overtime etc etc

[Swiss]

I really can't understand why people are frustrated/annoyed if the saddle pack LiPo's do not become legal. Surely if you prucahsed these as your one and only purchase for the forthcoming 2009 season, you must have realised that there was laways the possibility that they wouldn't be legalised, (I appreciate, if your current cells were a little tired, mine certainly are after a years racing, but personally when the conditions are so slippery who needs max. punch), the BRCA is not responsable for you making that descision. All the members do a excellent job, and surely these posts really make them feel un-appreciated. I am sure, if they turned their attentions to other pastimes, there wouldn't be many candidtaes...
I run two cars that are very LiPo friendly, and still haven't made the switch, simply becuase I thought I would let this all settle down before making my descicion.
How it would detract people from racing, I do not know...

[SHY]

Well, I'm sorry to be so frank. But when you don't listen to what the majority of racers want - then you're not doing an excellent job IMHO. I have no doubt they do a great job but in this matter they've done a mistake IMHO. I for one tried to contact the EB on behalf of our national federation, in order to discuss a "common proposal" in good time before the AGM. But there was no interest in this whatsoever. They wanted to go solo and claimed to have more than enough experience to make the best decision.

Democracy has prevailed for a reason... and looking back you can then say that WE ALL agreed upon this... They should now then not be surprised if they receive some criticism.

EFRA was very late... ROAR rules were in place already, and had been used one whole year. But heck no, let's invent the gunpowder all over again...

And it must be real fun for a manufacturer to now design a chassis that will accomodate two sets of rules...

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by ashleyb4

I think we should see what happens i was a little heated earlier Sorry

A

ash mate, its happened!!!

Originally Posted by Swiss

I really can't understand why people are frustrated/annoyed if the saddle pack LiPo's do not become legal. Surely if you prucahsed these as your one and only purchase for the forthcoming 2009 season, you must have realised that there was laways the possibility that they wouldn't be legalised, (I appreciate, if your current cells were a little tired, mine certainly are after a years racing, but personally when the conditions are so slippery who needs max. punch), the BRCA is not responsable for you making that descision. All the members do a excellent job, and surely these posts really make them feel un-appreciated. I am sure, if they turned their attentions to other pastimes, there wouldn't be many candidtaes...
I run two cars that are very LiPo friendly, and still haven't made the switch, simply becuase I thought I would let this all settle down before making my descicion.
How it would detract people from racing, I do not know...

at the agm the members wanted saddle packs, and a bigger dimension
if have not been to worksop and see how many racers use lipo saddle, even reedy etc etc, se how happy thay are, se how much fun they are having.

there was a post some where stating that the eb wanted to make sure things were equal and fair, that has failed, as anyone with a lipo saddle car that wants to run saddle , can not do so, unfair, and definatly not equal!!

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by SHY

Well, I'm sorry to be so frank. But when you don't listen to what the majority of racers want - then you're not doing an excellent job IMHO. I have no doubt they do a great job but in this matter they've done a mistake IMHO. I for one tried to contact the EB on behalf of our national federation, in order to discuss a "common proposal" in good time before the AGM. But there was no interest in this whatsoever. They wanted to go solo and claimed to have more than enough experience to make the best decision.

Democracy has prevailed for a reason... and looking back you can then say that WE ALL agreed upon this... They should now then not be surprised if they receive some criticism.

EFRA was very late... ROAR rules were in place already, and had been used one whole year. But heck no, let's invent the gunpowder all over again...

And it must be real fun for a manufacturer to now design a chassis that will accomodate two sets of rules...

well said that man!

[Swiss]

there was a post some where stating that the eb wanted to make sure things were equal and fair, that has failed, as anyone with a lipo saddle car that wants to run saddle , can not do so, unfair, and definatly not equal!![/quote]

How is it unfair... They can run cells, if they had a saddle configuration like anyone else.

[Chrislong]

On the track cells have no disadvantage. But who really wants to run cells? soldering, equalising, loosing performance within relatively few charges, needing several packs.... the advantage in Lipo's is in their convenience in the pits, it brings far more enjoyment.

[Belsten]

I will be running cells in 09

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Swiss

I really can't understand why people are frustrated/annoyed if the saddle pack LiPo's do not become legal. Surely if you prucahsed these as your one and only purchase for the forthcoming 2009 season, you must have realised that there was laways the possibility that they wouldn't be legalised, (I appreciate, if your current cells were a little tired, mine certainly are after a years racing, but personally when the conditions are so slippery who needs max. punch), the BRCA is not responsable for you making that descision. All the members do a excellent job, and surely these posts really make them feel un-appreciated. I am sure, if they turned their attentions to other pastimes, there wouldn't be many candidtaes...
I run two cars that are very LiPo friendly, and still haven't made the switch, simply becuase I thought I would let this all settle down before making my descicion.
How it would detract people from racing, I do not know...

people are frustrated because they have purchased these cells because they are the only ones to fit the majority of buggys i say again D4 B44 BJ4 501X B MAX BX and nimh cells are unrealible and expencive.

ive been reading the post and how is the cell size the manufactures fault all the current saddle pack lipos are well within a resonable size 2mm here or there i dont see how its fair the brca should dictate the manufactures should spend more money and resorses before the end of jan because the brca are being unreasonable.

[SHY]

Originally Posted by discostu

people are frustrated because they have purchased these cells because they are the only ones to fit the majority of buggys i say again D4 B44 BJ4 501X B MAX BX and nimh cells are unrealible and expencive.

ive been reading the post and how is the cell size the manufactures fault all the current saddle pack lipos are well within a resonable size 2mm here or there i dont see how its fair the brca should dictate the manufactures should spend more money and resorses before the end of jan because the brca are being unreasonable.

The ROAR rules were there 1 year in advance. If the EB had this planned long before the AGM (which I have a strong feeling they did), why not talk openly with the accociated manufacturers and check as to LiPo saddles:
-can it be made at all? Can you make a proto?
-are you willing to make them?
-how much time do you need to develop, manufacture and market them?
-and what do YOU think is reasonable as to size restrictions?

[Mike Hudson]

I think lipos are potentially quicker on track as you have more power out of corners and less weight and still legaly heavy enough and you know your going to dump either!

[Swiss]

Originally Posted by Chrislong

On the track cells have no disadvantage. But who really wants to run cells? soldering, equalising, loosing performance within relatively few charges, needing several packs.... the advantage in Lipo's is in their convenience in the pits, it brings far more enjoyment.

I totally agree Chris, there are some advantages to the LiPo than the NiMh Cell... My thoughts was not based around that at all, just I don't understand how anyone can moan, if they purchased the LiPo saddle packs knowing they was not BRCA approved.
It's like secound guessing whitch tyres are going to be approved for the Euro's, buying the wrong ones, then complaining.