EFRA AGM - any feedback?

[mobile chicane]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

from what i can under stand, the dimensions are there because of little johnny that goes and buys a brand new b44 or yokomo etc saddle pack car,and then buys lipos to big to fit so has to take a chain saw/dremmel to it to make them fit,not a happy johnny me thinks,

my trakpower 4800 saddles fit in my b44 fine all
I had to do was lenghten the battery clamp studs

[peetbee]

Originally Posted by mobile chicane

my trakpower 4800 saddles fit in my b44 fine all
I had to do was lenghten the battery clamp studs

Yep all you need is 4 longer screws and some washers. They also fit in my B4, just need some longer screws in place of the thumbscrews.

Still, it's too late to debate this now isn't it?

[terry.sc]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

they fit in a b44 no mods needed and unless you have tried em in the rest how can you say that?

Conversely you can't claim that all Trakpowers fit in every chassis without modifications - that includes not replacing or extending the battery posts or straps or the work needed to get them into a XX4.
I would say no mods needed means you can take out your nimhs and pop in your lipo pack without doing any work apart from flipping over the kit battery strap. Can you honestly say that they fit into the B44 with no mods needed? Having to lengthen the posts and having to come up with something to stop them sliding into the shaft count as chassis mods to a lot of people.


I will agree with you about nimh saddle packs though, apart from ones built by the r/c car specialist shops ready built saddle pack batteries just don't exist any more. High end buggies designed for saddle pack batteries already limit their market by not having readily available packs as every other car you can buy these days using 7.2v uses a stick pack. Anyone coming to 4wd OR from any other class would either have to rebuild their nimhs or buy new saddle pack lipos.

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by terry.sc

Conversely you can't claim that all Trakpowers fit in every chassis without modifications - that includes not replacing or extending the battery posts or straps or the work needed to get them into a XX4.
I would say no mods needed means you can take out your nimhs and pop in your lipo pack without doing any work apart from flipping over the kit battery strap. Can you honestly say that they fit into the B44 with no mods needed? Having to lengthen the posts and having to come up with something to stop them sliding into the shaft count as chassis mods to a lot of people.




I will agree with you about nimh saddle packs though, apart from ones built by the r/c car specialist shops ready built saddle pack batteries just don't exist any more. High end buggies designed for saddle pack batteries already limit their market by not having readily available packs as every other car you can buy these days using 7.2v uses a stick pack. Anyone coming to 4wd OR from any other class would either have to rebuild their nimhs or buy new saddle pack lipos.

3200 are thinner than nimh, so just tape em to the bettery strap, im sure little johnny could cope with that.......... oh hang on some cars need thier chassis filing to sit the nimh in, maybe little johhny can not modify his car............to fit nimh


come on this is model car racing. MODEL how many owners do you know that are incapable of modifying thier car,is it not part of the enjoyment? if they carnt then there are companies that sell kits, if the owners carnt work on their cars, they bought em from toys r us!

how many car are there out there that dont have some form of mod done to em

[Lee]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

3200 are thinner than nimh, so just tape em to the bettery strap, im sure little johnny could cope with that.......... oh hang on some cars need thier chassis filing to sit the nimh in, maybe little johhny can not modify his car............to fit nimh


come on this is model car racing. MODEL how many owners do you know that are incapable of modifying thier car,is it not part of the enjoyment? if they carnt then there are companies that sell kits, if the owners carnt work on their cars, they bought em from toys r us!

how many car are there out there that dont have some form of mod done to em

x6, is one, mine is box stock

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by Lee

x6, is one, mine is box stock

silly me thinking it was a modified associated B4

odd how the x6 is not a full kit......................................

[bigred5765]

mark rules are rules they were there before lipo,s were used in car racing, I'm not anti lipo fare from it i want them just as much as you or anyone else,yes were looking at Trakpower for a drive,what annoys me is didn't they come and ask you about how big / small to make them,you seem to have all the answers surely you could have pointed them in the right direction,instead of whining after the fact, why didn't you do something before the decision was made or try waiting to see what the list brings,

[SHY]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

mark rules are rules they were there before lipo,s were used in car racing, I'm not anti lipo fare from it i want them just as much as you or anyone else,yes were looking at Trakpower for a drive,what annoys me is didn't they come and ask you about how big / small to make them,you seem to have all the answers surely you could have pointed them in the right direction,instead of whining after the fact, why didn't you do something before the decision was made or try waiting to see what the list brings,

You made my day, thx!!!

[Lee]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

silly me thinking it was a modified associated B4

Nope, its a converted B4, it says so on the box

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

mark rules are rules they were there before lipo,s were used in car racing, I'm not anti lipo fare from it i want them just as much as you or anyone else,yes were looking at Trakpower for a drive,what annoys me is didn't they come and ask you about how big / small to make them,you seem to have all the answers surely you could have pointed them in the right direction,instead of whining after the fact, why didn't you do something before the decision was made or try waiting to see what the list brings,

we used the size of cells available (reduced cost as a cell did not have to be custom made), we did our best they fitted in most cars without major mods

the lipo sticks are longer than a nimh equivalent and were aproved by the brca list

wait.................... have no choice but i have lost my faith............

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by SHY

You made my day, thx!!!

lol from the guy who's proposal did diddly squat re dimensions

[RogerM]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

from what i can under stand, the dimensions are there because of little johnny that goes and buys a brand new b44 or yokomo etc saddle pack car,and then buys lipos to big to fit so has to take a chain saw/dremmel to it to make them fit,not a happy johnny me thinks,

I think we are violently agreeing!!

[bigred5765]

I'm not anti lipo in fact ill be one of those screaming if nothing is sorted buy April first,but I'm not gonna start ranting and raving when no one knows what legal illegal yet thats just plain silly,SOME people are upset because they have cells which are most likely unusable, at nationals next year,O wait didn't that happen last year, when will people ever learn, WAIT FOR THE LIST THEN BUY,
o and yes mark ill be the guy in the pits dremmeling my x5 to fit lipos stick packs, as said im not aginst it,

[SHY]

Guys, I think we can all agree that if hard cased saddles CAN be made to fit without any modifications - then that would be great. Given a reasonable C and mAh rating.

But what if you can't? Today this does NOT EXIST.

Those who don't want to buy a conversion kit or do some home made mods can still run NiMH. So why hinder those who'd like to do a very minor mod? What's the problem with that?
-dangerous?
-competitive advantage?

Any problems in the US doing this for one full season?

Racing rules should have a reason to exist!

And I'm still talking ONLY about OR. Track is a completely different story.

@Mark: You still haven't read through the norwegian proposal? We did NOT set size restrictions... What planet are you from? Do you eat bananas without peeling them?

[bigred5765]

not quiet true shy, the lrp ones are silly close, and we have no idea whats in the pipe line,

[SHY]

are the LRP ones hardcased?

[bigred5765]

kind of half cased,

[Northy]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

kind of half cased,

Kind of like half a job?

G

[SHY]

=?

The typical shrinkwrap would not pass you see...

1 HARD CASING
1.1 LiPo battery packs must have a hard, protective case that surrounds the cell(s) in the racing application. A factory encased hard shell pack is mandated for race durability reasons that stem from the vulnerability of LiPo cells to physical damage. Any physical distortion, denting or puncture to the cells will cause either an immediate or long term safety risk. A hard cased pack reduces this risk significantly by protecting the cells from crash damage, battery ejection, and general wear and tear at the track. EFRA defines the "hard case" as a case made of ABS or similar type material. The case shall consist of two (2) halves with each half being constructed from a single mold that is not easily pliable and retains it shape without any exterior or interior support. Both the top and bottom sections of the case must be secured together by glue, double-sided tape or heat seal in such a manner that separation of the case to remove or replace the cells will destroy the case and/or label and render it unusable in competition. The case must be installed by the manufacturer or value added manufacturer. No end user installed cases are acceptable. The case will protect the cells from damage on all sides and will completely cover all cells having only openings for wire connections. Any modification to the factory approved hard case will make the pack ineligible for participation in EFRA sanctioned events.

+ drop tests etc...

Don't get me wrong! A hardcased saddle within specs would be superb!

Still... if you think about this being a fun hobby for most... wouldn't it be great to fit a BIG LiPo with massive mAh - you can use only one pack at races - you can enjoy looong practice runs - why miss all that because of the old size specs for NiMH cells. This is mixing oranges with apples!

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by SHY

Guys, I think we can all agree that if hard cased saddles CAN be made to fit without any modifications - then that would be great. Given a reasonable C and mAh rating.

But what if you can't? Today this does NOT EXIST.

Those who don't want to buy a conversion kit or do some home made mods can still run NiMH. So why hinder those who'd like to do a very minor mod? What's the problem with that?
-dangerous?
-competitive advantage?

Any problems in the US doing this for one full season?

Racing rules should have a reason to exist!

And I'm still talking ONLY about OR. Track is a completely different story.

this really hurts me......................................i have to agree with you!!