SOUTHPORT REFEREES

[Chris Doughty]

you might have miss-read my post or it might not have been clear.

my comment "balls to the faster car thing" was in relation to a suggestion to not offer help to any car in getting through traffic accross the board and that the ref is only there to police take-outs and bad driving

[WHITTLER555]

Hello, from my point of view i refereed as I would like my race to be refereed, I tried to keep an eye on the top three cars and who they were catching and I called out the race order a couple of times during the race.

At Southport it just so happened that I raced, then marshalled and then ref'd 4 heats which I suppose as I am an F2 the heats following are going to be F1 heats so they got the benefit or not as in the case of Mr Mgee (sorry about round one Danny!)

Other Refs on the day had different styles, I can only comment on Mike Riley who ref'd my heat, he spoke to all the drivers at the start and told them to move over for the quicker drivers, he also encouraged us during the race to go faster!

I guess everyone has their own style, I took example from races where Stuart Whyman has been reffing and Paul Draper from a few years back.

Maybe there should be a standard practice adopted by all refs for all heats so you know you are getting consistency accross the board. But then who will ref the refs?

Discuss.....

[Northy]

Nice post Damo

G

(your little side kick)

[andy05]

Originally Posted by MATTY

""but I do notice the higher heats are always made 'aware' of the faster cars coming through - why them and not the lower heats? they're of the same importance.""

Im with you 100% paul

If anything the lower heats need more help i would say

[WHITTLER555]

Yes I must add that during the finals I had a spotter watching the back of the pack as well!

G and J

[bigred5765]

Agreed on the refing thing good idea to have them shout the faster cars through,
it would be nice to have spotters go high go high.lol
may be marshals should have blue flags,?

[niggs98]

Originally Posted by Northy

People knowing a body shell also helps. Over the winter I ran a BJ4 and borrowed one of Rich Lowes old shells. I have never ever ever ever had people jump out of my way at regionals so fast!

People in your heat know your coming Chris!

G

very true G a lot of the top boys use large bright block colours to make the shell more recognisable to people as they hurtle up behind them at speed. as an example truemans shell is easily recognisable to anyone at various points on the track so you know when he is catching you or if you are catching him makes it a lot easier for the driver to see the car way before it getas there and often saves the ref a job of having to call out

[David Church]

Perhaps I could help a bit more. As I now seem to be commentating at most of the meetings, and usually the lower heats, I could try and call guys through a bit, and I could call the leaders position on the track more often, and possibly say the colour of their car, this may help people know where the leader is?????

But I would like to say, I think this thread is very good, alot of comments, all just opinions or suggestions, no bitchy-ness, but all said to help or better our sport!!!!

Well done guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[andy05]

Originally Posted by David Church

Perhaps I could help a bit more. As I now seem to be commentating at most of the meetings, and usually the lower heats, I could try and call guys through a bit, and I could call the leaders position on the track more often, and possibly say the colour of their car, this may help people know where the leader is?????

But I would like to say, I think this thread is very good, alot of comments, all just opinions or suggestions, no bitchy-ness, but all said to help or better our sport!!!!

Well done guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That sounds good may also stop me getting " murry walkered"(which happens alot) if i get talked about a bit more

[Northy]

One comment I have, from being up on the rostrum reffing at the weekend is that when people are commentating it's nice to have numbers not just names! I've been racing a long time but don't know all the shells!

G

[David Church]

Originally Posted by Northy

One comment I have, from being up on the rostrum reffing at the weekend is that when people are commentating it's nice to have numbers not just names! I've been racing a long time but don't know all the shells!

G

Can do, I will try and be more helpful!!!

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by Northy

One comment I have, from being up on the rostrum reffing at the weekend is that when people are commentating it's nice to have numbers not just names! I've been racing a long time but don't know all the shells!

G

well its about time you did

[Stu]

It would help if the laptop on the rostrum had the current heat drivers list ordered by average lap time, not laps completed - this would stop the order jumping all over as laps are counted up.

Also it would help if the 'next heat up' was displayed sooner - possibly with 60 seconds to go - this would give the rostrum ref chance to look over who was on next and familiarize (is that a proper word) himself with who is where.

[Chrislong]

Originally Posted by Northy

People in your heat know your coming Chris!

OMG, what an open invitation for inuendo! Must resist. Must resist.

There is an advantage in using Yellow wheels and having a red and yellow shell. It is recogniseable at a glimpse. Some peoples cars I am fully aware of what they are doing while I am racing, no matter where they are on the track - just due to the colours being bright AND individual. Such as Ben Riley, Matt Benfield, Truman, Pidge. This is very useful.

DCMC, good idea. Im sure you'll agree that anything is worth a try if it is no hardship on you. if it doesn't work, then atleast it has been tried.

I have another question. What went on with the marshalling for leg 2 of the A final on Sunday?

Chris

[PaulRotheram]

Originally Posted by Chrislong

I have another question. What went on with the marshalling for leg 2 of the A final on Sunday?

Chris

I think it was to do with the marshalling in leg 2 on the saturday which effected sundays decision.. however i do hope i'm wrong

[MattW]

[QUOTE=Chrislong;145999
I have another question. What went on with the marshalling for leg 2 of the A final on Sunday?

Chris[/QUOTE]

Someone (no idea who) suggested that it would be a better idea for the C finalists to marshall instead of the F/G final. PW put it to the C drivers and they agreed i believe.

[telboy]

Having bright shells isn't always an advantage, especially in the lower heats. I mean, I've got a BRIGHT PINK wing that you can see for miles yet when I've raced I've been taken out whilst leading heats on numerous occasions.
I think the refs letting the slower car know is the best way, but it must be across the whole board, not just the higher heats, or heats where they know the drivers.

[ben]

Originally Posted by MattW

Someone (no idea who) suggested that it would be a better idea for the C finalists to marshall instead of the F/G final. PW put it to the C drivers and they agreed i believe.

Yep it was the H final drivers which was me. He said he was experimenting this idea because it could be said that the drivers lower down in the H final for example might not have the experience to marshall an A final.

If that makes sense.

[bigred5765]

also 2 the point that there might be kids like conner cocker for example marshalling that are worried of being hit aswell by the cars

[strobe]

The score board at Kiddy was a really good idea and very helpfull for the drivers refs and speccies. I thought the BRCA were going to get 1.