Cost of fuel/duty, Petition to No.10

[Chrislong]

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Lowerduty30/

[telboy]

I've signed it.

I had a look last night but could only find an old one.

[ShiftF9er]

Great idea lets reduce fuel duty and encourage people to buy fuel inefficient cars and put income up tax to pay for this, actually no lets close the hospitals instead. Oil/energy is still cheap, if it was not we would not be flying fresh fruit from South Africa, beef from Argentina or wine from Australia, don't even mention New Zealand lamb.

[telboy]

But people will buy inefficient cars if they want anyway, no matter wha the cost of fuel.
They'll still mess around with income tax...as they always have.
And they'll still fly stuff in from other countries because of the lower production costs.

So, you're telling us that you like paying way over the odds for fuel for day to day journeys and doing your hobby?

Because I dont!

We are being ripped off, by the gov. and by the fuel companies.
No matter what happens with the fuel costs, all these other things will still happen, unless someone finds out a way of pulling the country back off its knees, before it falls flat on its face....which it will do if all the money problems carry on like they are.

[MK999]

Well said Tel

[DCM]

the petitions on the website, I think, it is just a way of the government 'pretending' to be listening, but never really look at it.

As for the Fuel cost, it will hit home all of a sudden, when haulage firms can no longer sustain making little or no profit on their business, and put up their costs to business, who then pass it on to us. then you will really see inflation go up. you have also got the hiking of car taxes going up, as they drop the emisions route of tax banding back to 2001....

If there was a way of bypassing it, I would rather do that, and do it to a point with buying LPG.... but that is going up now....

In the end, they KNOW you need your car, they KNOW you will buy the petrol.... not much you can do, except maybe refuse to pay your road fund licence.

[Chrislong]

Haulage companies are hitting Companies with a double whammy:

CAF: They are levying a surcharge based on the weakness of the pound against the Euro. Which is very hard for firms now as so many are now registered in Europe, so they can legally swerve the UK tax's.

BAF: The fuel surcharges are going up high, these surcharges have been around for years but now they're much higher.

Its crippling business's, obviously.

As for running inefficient cars. Well personally, I thought about buying an economical car, but then I thought against it, as this is what shit-for-brain Brown wants. I choose to drive a fast car, and I will continue to do so. The UK population has a weak voice (We don't speak up enough, and when we do the Government don't listen), and so we need to speak up, if this means blocking roads, blocking ferry terminals, block airports etc.... heck, im all for that, count me in.

Chris

[Danny]

I cant see how lowering fuel duty is possible sadly. No ones being ripped off, the government needs that money. Plain & simple the days of cheap energy are coming to a close. The problem is the result of years of big buisness (& to be fair, us) cashing in & exporting all the manufacture, now the developing countries are living like us & burning all that beautiful oil.

Id like to see car manufactures to change the way they make & sell cars & for people to actually own 2 cars, for example, a cheap 650cc small lightweight car for 90% of journeys & a faster more fun oreitntated car for the rest of the time.

[Si G]

If you've had the choice of fuel efflicient car or a non-fuel efficient car, and chosen the latter, then you have no right to complain. You are part of the cause of the problem. Fuel costs are spiralling because demand is exceeding supply. If everyone who gets less than 30 mpg started getting 65 mpg +, then the amount consumed would fall and so would the prices. Unfortunately this step change would have to be world-wide for us to see the difference.

Yes, the government could reduce fuel duty to offset the increased cost of crude oil, but then they would have to raise the money elsewhere; 60% income tax anyone?

[DCM]

I diagree that the givernment 'needs' the money, anyone who has worked in the public sector will know how wasteful they are, they have put more and more money into services for no real 'increase' in performance due to the way that targets are set, so those departments, like the NHS has to manage targets rather than services, so money isn't put into nurses, doctors and equipment, it goes on back management.

The Armed Forces have never been so poorly funded (I worked on enough of the stuff). The former Conservatives would ridiculed for selling off industry, but the Labour government has done more and worse.... and most of them are now in the ownership of foreign nationals.

The roads are the poorest I have seen in the long run.

The gorvernment is greedy in the end, it is billions in debt, yet it won't let a man like Richard Branson bail out Northern Rock... which, by the way, the money used could of paid for the Police's pay rise three fold....

The fuel levvy is a carry over from Margaret Thatchers fuel escalator..... which is a handy way of raising taxes.

The only way to get things turned around is to vote out the labour party and blockade fuel, so things do come to a head and HAS to be sorted..... I think Gordon Brown will have his own 'winter of discontent'

[Col]

Originally Posted by Si G

If you've had the choice of fuel efflicient car or a non-fuel efficient car, and chosen the latter, then you have no right to complain. You are part of the cause of the problem. Fuel costs are spiralling because demand is exceeding supply. If everyone who gets less than 30 mpg started getting 65 mpg +, then the amount consumed would fall and so would the prices. Unfortunately this step change would have to be world-wide for us to see the difference.

Fuel efficient is a mis-leading term. I recently sold a low tax (hence fuel efficient..) vectra. It was a great car, never let me down and went all the way from York to Tiverton and back a few years ago on 1 tank of fuel. However it was totally crap going 6 miles to work and back - approx 150 miles to a 60 litre tank.
So I bought a nice little (not bayracer at all........) saxo vtr. Technically a less fuel efficient car (although the same tax band). Every confidence it will be garbage on a run due to it's gearing but to work and back I get nearly 250miles to a 40 litre tank.
And it's a shitload more fun to thrash about

[bert digler]

it used to cost 72 quid to fill the van now 105quid the van is eight months old wtf

[Doomanic]

The government has had a massive tax windfall thanks to spiraling oil prices, yet they are still adding duty at an alarming rate, which is then taxed again when the VAT is added.

I have a theory about the current financial crisis.

Labour are almost certain to lose the next election so they are screwing the country royally in an attempt to make it impossible for the Tories to fix in one term. Labour then get re-elected and carry on lining their pockets. If they win then we clearly deserve to be screwed.

[Nolan BJ4WE]

Signd it too.......

[Chrislong]

For you clowns who are brainwashed enough to argue that we are not being screwed, well, I am baffled. If oil was really a problem, then cars consume a fraction of what planes & ships do, and beyond that, the UK consumes far less than other developed countries who are not being screwed as much; USA, Australia and New Zealand for example.

I posted a link, not for a debate, but for those who wish to, to sign. Those who don't, don't. [full stop]

For the clowns who don't, go post your garbage elsewhere, its wasted here.

[phil c]

signed , lets hope it helps but doubt it

[Fiddybux]

Signed.

Mazda RX-8
17/25mpg
Not happy!

I didn't expect to be happy with fuel bills though...so I suppose I can't moan too much. And I choose to keep the car because I love it and wouldn't be happy with something sensible.

Glad I don't have to commute far though.

How high will it go?....I reckon we'll see 135p a litre by Christmas.

[ashleyb4]

I signed it for all you fuel users i use it to

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[SlowOne]

Originally Posted by Chrislong

For you clowns who are brainwashed enough to argue that we are not being screwed, well, I am baffled. If oil was really a problem, then cars consume a fraction of what planes & ships do, and beyond that, the UK consumes far less than other developed countries who are not being screwed as much; USA, Australia and New Zealand for example.

I posted a link, not for a debate, but for those who wish to, to sign. Those who don't, don't. [full stop]

For the clowns who don't, go post your garbage elsewhere, its wasted here.

Which would be fine sentiments, to which you are entitled, were they only true!

Cars consume twice as much fuel as ships and planes put together. Oil is probably not the problem, but speculators might be - Governments can do nothing about that.

In the same time our petrol has gone from 80-ish p per litre to 115p, US petrol has gone from $2 to almost $4 - equivalent to us paying 160p per litre, and they pay almost zero tax on their petrol - so how does that make them screwed less than we are?

Whether you choose to see the facts or not, the North Sea oil revenues, that Thatcher gave you back in lower income tax, have halved in the last 15 years, and that has to be made up somehow. Choose which way you want to pay your tax by all means, but you'll pay it one way or another.

[IceMike]

saw 132.9 this mornin. i think if it goes the way its going its gunna be more like 160 by crimbo