Why are so many people selling up?

[telboy]

appreciated, but Shell made record profits of 13billion last year, and a record 5.4 billion in the last quater of last year.
Yes the majority of the price is TAX, but it just annoys you when you here that these people are making this much profit.

I know mentioning it on here wont have any effect on it at all, but surely something needs to be done between the fuel companies and the gov. to stop it going out of control.

Companies are already closing doors because they can't afford fuel for their fleets etc.


.....are we going slightly off topic?

[RogerM]

Only slightly Tel ........ LOL

[Rich D]

More high taxes to pay for our nanny state. If they reduce fuel then they would get it some other way.

The country is crippled by all the "hangers on" claiming every benefit under the sun. Single mothers bringing up four kids by three different moronic fathers. The only example of daily effort the kids see is Mother popping to the shop for another packet of fags or to the Post Office to pick up the benefits. How do the kids stand a chance ? The future of the UK. Scum breed more scum and ironically, breeding is all they seem to be good at. Have you been into a Post Office lately ? Id hate working there ( Ash you had a lucky escape IMO ). I had to hold my breath today in the que when i was stood behind a teenage girl with two kids in toe. She plain stank of BO. Clothes filthy with the bottoms of her grubby trousers trailing on the floor all frayed. Swore at the kid because he wanted a toy from the shelf. I felt so sorry for the little lad i felt like buying it for him. Shes was stood on her bloody mobile phone whilst being served. Rude arrogant scum !

Argh !

[losidan]

even though I rarely race I would never sell up...Need something to think about to take my mind away from work and all the other stressful stuff. Even just running in a car park once a week or performing maintenance at home/repairing breakages is a great distraction.

[neiloliver]

We do need to car share more, especially for Nationals. I filled up the jag yesterday and it cost £73!.. never been over £70.. it is crazy... and that wont last me a week.

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by Northy

We have a little one coming in just over 7 weeks, I'll be taking it with me racing

Everyone needs to get ready to change it's nappy and feed it etc while I glue up tyres etc

G

Ching Ching!!!! I agree big time with that, I dont see why I should give up, at least I can take the kids with me (when I knock the Mrs up) and have some fun getting them involved.

[SlowOne]

I've read a lot of this thread, but if this point has been made, and I missed it, apologies...

Is it the case that more people are selling up, or is it the case that in a modern World, with Flea-Bay, Oople, and a myriad other on-line ways of selling stuff, are we just more aware when people do sell up?

In days gone by, RC participation moved with the economy - it's up and people join in, it's down and people have to give up. Back then, things were sold at Clubs and Nationals and through the local newspaper, shop and things like Exchange and Mart.

We have had a growing economy since 1996, a time when the internet didn't really exist, no one had heard of pay-as-you-go mobiles, text messages, GPS, Digital TV, broadband, NiMH, 2.4Ghz... I could go on. Prior to that there was boom and bust every five years, so it wasn't unusual to see people sell up.

This is the first time in over 10 years that people's pockets have been hit hard, and so we see a lot of people selling up - and this time we can see them do it. I'm not sure that there are any more people leaving the hobby in a downturn than there have been the last time this happened, but the key difference is that it can be seen.

The other thing we don't know is whether people are selling up from the main class on this forum (Electrics, and Off-Road in particular) and going to Gas - Rallycross, Large Scale, etc.

Nice to see some people taking the family to the Club and the Nationals. I used to do the monthly Chesham meetings, and there were lots of families on the sunny days, and the same at Nationals. When the sun shines, Off-Road has great appeal, but my class (12th) at least guarantees I don't get wet and have to clean a muddy car!

[telboy]

Do you know, thats one thing you don't see much of when you race 'on road'.....families.

More off roaders seem to take the family along with them.

[HKP]

That's why I got into off-road all those years ago, everyone was very welcoming and non-judgmental. I still think it's true, the off-road gang just seem to take things less seriously.

Well, if this selling up is due to a downturn in the economy, I hope things perk up again soon and everyone re-buys their stuff. What goes down must come up and all that.

[Dreadstar]

When you were going on about tax,you do realise that it is currently running at 83pence/litre.Even this will be out of date now,(that was when we were only paying a max of 1.07/litre).

[DCM]

Originally Posted by Rich D

The country is crippled by all the "hangers on" claiming every benefit under the sun. Single mothers bringing up four kids by three different moronic fathers. The only example of daily effort the kids see is Mother popping to the shop for another packet of fags or to the Post Office to pick up the benefits. How do the kids stand a chance ? The future of the UK. Scum breed more scum and ironically, breeding is all they seem to be good at.

I didn't know The Daily Mail had an account on here

But really, you need to get a smaller brush so you don't tar everyone with that same brush. I am one of those 'hangers on' as you so call, ok, I worked for 14 years for the government, and divorce beckoned, I had the children, and, well I couldn't bring myself to dump them in child care every day to go to work, so decided to be old fashioned, and bring my own children up....

But I also understand about the teen mothers, we have a few here and it is depressing to see at times, but we live in a promiscuous society where sleeping around is seen as a good thing and not a bad thing.... but we digress from the thread.

I think the cost of living is one factor for people to pack in, plus lots starting families etc, in the end, luxuries go before the essentials, and racing is a luxury...

[Rich D]

Originally Posted by DCM

I didn't know The Daily Mail had an account on here

But really, you need to get a smaller brush so you don't tar everyone with that same brush. I am one of those 'hangers on' as you so call, ok, I worked for 14 years for the government, and divorce beckoned, I had the children, and, well I couldn't bring myself to dump them in child care every day to go to work, so decided to be old fashioned, and bring my own children up....

But I also understand about the teen mothers, we have a few here and it is depressing to see at times, but we live in a promiscuous society where sleeping around is seen as a good thing and not a bad thing.... but we digress from the thread.

I think the cost of living is one factor for people to pack in, plus lots starting families etc, in the end, luxuries go before the essentials, and racing is a luxury...

I haven't got any issue with anyone else wanting 4,5,6, or more kids. I just don't expect to have to fund them myself through ever increasing taxes.

I live in an area where teen pregnancy is amongst the highest in the country. I stand by what i said. I have no issues with anyone claiming benefits who aren't able to work. Its just those who see it as a career in its own right who get up my nose

[SlowOne]

I read the other day that the Daily Mail is short of columnists - your CV seems good!

This is just the sort of mis-informed b******s that you accuse the single mums and moronic fathers of. We have one of the lowest tax rates in Europe, and yet we have the highest rates of teenage pregnancy. We also have one of the least supportive Social Security system in Europe, and yet one of the highest rates of crime.

Of the almost £500bn a year the Government gets in tax, less than £90bn goes on Social Security. More goes to the NHS. Indeed, more of your taxes go to companies operating services under the the Private Finance Initiative than goes to single mums. If you really want to get 'Daily Mail' about something, go ape about the PFI. Also, go ape about the £30bn-odd HMG has spent on failed IT projects over the last few years.

If you want to be rightly indignant, there is much more waste of our taxes on things other than large families and single mums, it's just that you have to do a bit more work than watch Sky and read the Daily Mail. And, you have to vote and do something to change the situation. If that's too hard, there's always emigration...

Give it a rest; its not big, its not clever, and its not right.