Control/No control

[flipside]

Most people overrate the effect of new tyres too. I guess in britain with such a high level, you need to use a lot of new tyres to squeeze out that last extra bit. Many people take a new set each run to have the exact same feel every time, not always because it is faster. So unless you're really on top and have nothing else left to cut down on your laptimes, take it easy and concentrate on making fewer mistakes instead of spending all your money on new tyres.

Limiting the number of tyres is indeed a lot of work, and what when it starts raining, or when you trash your wheel?

[Northy]

Tyres are a big thing in the UK now. There are so many people who can put in a clean 5 minute run, often with 1/2 second at the end of a round covering 20 places or so.

G

[bigred5765]

IMHO, 3 wet sets,or 3 dry sets all marked up buy scrutinering before you race, and checked along side weighing in, but give three tire manufactures any compound allowed,

[Chrislong]

I like the idea of limited tyres, but the amount of work for scrutineering has stopped me suggesting it.

But how about making the rule even more strict? May make it easier to police.... but allowing ONE nominated tyre, but before that is done putting that tyre through some sort of quality/price/availability approval.

So, if this was Schumacher, we'd know Yellows if dry, greens if damp or wetter. For example.

I like the idea of this, plus Carl's idea of pre-scrutinised during booking in... so 2 sets of yellows and 2 sets of greens marked. Then the A finalists get 1 more set marked after qual.

So then, if it stays dry and we take 2 sets of greens unused home, then they get a different colour dot on the tyre - if we have a dry year, we may each have some greens with 6 dots on, or 12! if they transfer between 2wd & 4wd.

Chris

[Chrislong]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

IMHO, 3 wet sets,or 3 dry sets all marked up buy scrutinering before you race, and checked along side weighing in, but give three tire manufactures any compound allowed,

Thats too much choice & too many tyres. With limited sets we need less choice really. What do you guys think?

[Richard Lowe]

I think we should all run on Schuey blues, they'd be a bit gash on some wet astro tracks but they work ok in pretty much all other conditions. We might not have the grip levels we do now in ideal circumstances but it would be the same for everyone, they'd last a lot longer too

Also as they are so rock hard compound variations would be less of a problem

[Chrislong]

Hey Rich,
Ya know what, id be up for this! It will bring the need to be more sensible with power especially when wet, it will lower costs (just what we need when everything else in life is becoming more expensive), and introduce a completely level playing field.

There'd be no need for limited numbers used, as by their nature we wouldn;t need to change often.

[Lee]

i think i would like the blues idea, it would suit me too, with my girlie left thumb

Do we propose and vote on tyre rulings or is this done by the brca and the national clubs.

[Chrislong]

We ought to chat with Charlie and Paul. Be worth a chat with them this weekend.

[Northy]

But that's back to a monopoly.
What's the point in other companys developing new tyres then? *cough* GRP *cough*

G

[Lee]

Unless each of the 3 companies had to nominate 1 compound which can be used for a whole meeting, and each national venue nominates the best tyre

[James]

Originally Posted by Richard Lowe

I think we should all run on Schuey blues, they'd be a bit gash on some wet astro tracks but they work ok in pretty much all other conditions. We might not have the grip levels we do now in ideal circumstances but it would be the same for everyone, they'd last a lot longer too

Also as they are so rock hard compound variations would be less of a problem

I like this idea too

[Kopite]

TR-32's

[bigred5765]

make it simple 3 nominated tyres compound open

[Lee]

Which means we would have
shuey: blue, green, yellow
BB, blue, green, (Bleen), pink
GRP, A, B, C

I dont think its that simple

[Richard Lowe]

Originally Posted by Kopite

TR-32's

Have mercy on the astroturf tracks!

We do need 2 options really as we have now, but then we will be back to the situation we have now as the compounds will probably get softer over time to get people to run X manufacturers tire as they have more grip.

How about two tires, made by different manufacturers. One with a smaller spike suitable for dry/damp and one with a longer spike for wetter weather, and a universal compound used by both manufacturers?

[MattW]

We need to be sure that if anything new is suggested, then it is policeable. You say blues, ok, yeah i'll go with this. Can you be 100% sure that someone has a blue in front of you and not a yellow??

I'm thinking aloud to a certain extent, not saying that it isn't possible, just wondering i guess.

It has been mentioned about having something different in the sidewall - like the comppound. Has anyone asked the manufacture if any of them would be prepared to do this?? As it will certainly add a cost. Would the racers be prepared to stand any added extra cost??

The touring car section mentioned having something new moulded into the wall. I seem to remember all the main manufactures saying that they might be prepared to do it, with enough notice, and a guarentee of a certain number of tyre sales. In the end Take Off were chosen, and because they had the monopoly of all 3 national series, they did mould BRCA into the wall. However, when they came, they were different to the ones we had the previous year (this was allways denied, but essentially no-one believed the denial!!), but they had 100% monopoly, so we were stuck with it.

[telboy]

You could do it so that, BB blues, schuey blues and grp 'c' compound all had to be moulded with the brca logo on the sidewall.
This way you would only need the 3 types of tyres and they would be easy to identify because of the brca marking.

This way, it would keep most happy.

IF companies then want to make the compound softer before the season starts to gain an advantage then that is up to them. But if there was a limit of one set of each 'brand' per meeting, then making them softer would be to no advantage to the company because we could only use one set of that particular tyre per meeting. So if it was softer then most would leave it for the final or final quali due to the extra wear rate.

[Chrislong]

Originally Posted by Northy

But that's back to a monopoly.
What's the point in other companys developing new tyres then? *cough* GRP *cough*

G

Good point. Id like to be running GRP's next year rather than the others if im honest.

If the rule remains the same, id be pleased to see the same 2 nominations throughout the year. if those 2 nominations are Brands X & Y, then it shuts out Z.

If we have 3 nominations, there becomes too many options in my opinion.

What if the nomination was for 3 brands, but includes compound: i.e.

Schu Yellow Minispike
GRP Conespike C
BB Green Spike (new?)

But then is that impossible to police?

Im starting to come to the conclusion the current rule is most suitable (with the racer in mind), its just having 3 credible brands now causes reason to consider other rules - you guys may have some other ideas, lets see them!

Chris

[bigred5765]

you wouldn't need to carry all 3 if you had to buy your tires from race control, at a set price, same for all then glue up and use them and thats set 1
then if it rains you buy set 2 from a choice of three wets,
and have one choice left for finals or faster type compound.job done