Gold Pan re-release RC10 - RACING

[Robby]

Originally Posted by terry.sc

The 87 Worlds was dominated by carbon chassied Ultimas.

Wasn't that Joel Johnson's "custom" car, that had about 3 (total) factory Ultima parts on it?

[Robby]

Originally Posted by terry.sc

There have been many successful one car classes over the years. Whether the chassis used has any flaws or you all have to use useless tyres is irrelevant as everyone is in exactly the same position, which is the whole appeal of it.

I was just meaning relative to the fact that for the most part these one-car classes don't seem to last. Hottest thing ever for about 6 months to a year, and then they die off. I just don't want the whole idea to die, and instead have a vintage class grow and grow.
I dunno, just my opinion..........

[jimmy]

I know Awesomeatix came and spoilt the party but touring cars has been one car for a long time - you just choose your colour

There's not really anything comparable that's actually available. Yeah I have an ultima and I have an AYK sidewinder, and I have a Kyosho Scorpion. But I wouldn't race them, they're well past it.

I got bored of the vintage racing since the cars just weren't even. I'm pretty sure my graphite rc10 had the 6gear box and it was frankly crap compared to the other rc10's racing.

Get a new rc10, get some spares - race and have fun. I'm confident we'll get enough numbers to run a heat or two at our races. Hopefully some others take it up also and organise small heats at their clubs to grow it. You can't compare it to some ancient old car - this is new and will have full parts support - and they want people to race them, they are well up for it.

[DanB4]

I agree Jimmy. If I were here I'd definitely race in an rc10 class! May try and start the same thing across there and when we eventually come back I'll certainly take part!

Buy a rere and some spares, level playing field power wise and see who can set her up and drive her best.

Brilliant fun.

D

[peetbee]

Our club runs popular vintage series each year and I'd like to think this rere would add to that, but part of the fun for me has been the variety of cars running as we've had rc10s, mids, cats, pb mustang, topforce, jrx and more, would it be as fun with just rc10s? I'm not so sure (and I love rc10s!)
It would be great to see the short arm 6 gears running in with the other cars .

I would be tempted to run in an rc10 series as well.
How popular were the vintage classes at the last invernational? Wasn't that split by year?

[FERRETTI]

A great idea and box stock gets my vote with the only exception being an under tray to protect that lovely gold anodising

It would be great if we could get something of this nature up and running in the North East.

[terry.sc]

Originally Posted by Robby

Wasn't that Joel Johnson's "custom" car, that had about 3 (total) factory Ultima parts on it?

The only non Kyosho parts were chassis, shock towers and gears.
http://studio68.no/rc/default.asp?id=1530 The second and third place cars were pretty much standard narrow alloy chassis Turbo Ultimas.

[terry.sc]

Originally Posted by jimmy

I got bored of the vintage racing since the cars just weren't even. I'm pretty sure my graphite rc10 had the 6gear box and it was frankly crap compared to the other rc10's racing.

That's the problem with vintage racing, the technology moved on so fast back then you had to buy a new car each year just to keep up. Pick a year and more serious racers end up with whatever was fastest in the previous year.

Get a new rc10, get some spares - race and have fun. I'm confident we'll get enough numbers to run a heat or two at our races. Hopefully some others take it up also and organise small heats at their clubs to grow it. You can't compare it to some ancient old car - this is new and will have full parts support - and they want people to race them, they are well up for it.

One car, box stock. No argument about someone having better updates or hard to find parts. It's entirely down to the best built and best driven buggy.

This discussion isn't about vintage racing in general, or how popular it might be at the clubs. It's about whether anyone is interested in a spec stock RC10 class if Jimmy adds it to the Oople series.

[jimmy]

Yeah - well said Terry. I've raced vintage and the cars were way too fast and it was very mismatched. when you've got 2.2" wheels on a 6gear rc10 and loads of grip - it doesn't take much to strip a spur gear.

I'm just talking about this re-release and supported classic 1st gen rc10 - everyone totally equal and the cars not too fast. Give your car a nice paint scheme, put a lil man in there, stick on some lights - but as for performance stuff don't allow anything otherwise it soon gets out of hand and boring.

[Robby]

Originally Posted by terry.sc

The only non Kyosho parts were chassis, shock towers and gears.
http://studio68.no/rc/default.asp?id=1530 The second and third place cars were pretty much standard narrow alloy chassis Turbo Ultimas.

Nothing personal m8, just a little joke about how we used to laugh at the magazine ads back in the day. showing him holding stock ultima, when it had so many non-stock parts. But everybody's cars were full of custom bits back then. No biggie.

[jimmy]

You'd be amazed at what still goes on to this day mate

[Robby]

Originally Posted by jimmy

You'd be amazed at what still goes on to this day mate

Oh, I know - but nothing like back in the day, when you'd start off with a kit RC10 for example (or whatever), and by the time you got done, you had a lot of leftover stock parts. The racing end of the hobby could hardly exist without the aftermarket, and anybody that raced made a lot of their own little custom parts. It was really a necessity.
If you remember the original JRX2 ads of the era, they were advertising the fact that it was the only "full out racer, straight from the box, no upgrades needed." Not that we didn't customize them too.



I sort of miss those days, when you'd go to the track and peruse the pits to see what others had done "non-stock" to their cars, and you'd stop by the hobby shop to see what new aftermarket bits and pieces were hanging on the wall. It was an era when racers were more self-reliant, and you couldn't just get by with a box-built car. I often wonder if half the chaps today could handle it.

[optiman]

I do believe that the RC10 could be a very suscesfull class by itself.
I use to road race 1:1 race cars not long ago (still do, but Solo 1)and one of the biggest points of discussion are always the advantages or disadvantages from race car to race car; displacement, chassis manufacturer, etc, etc...
Then came the Neon Challenge...
Everyone had the same car, same engine, same everything.. races where a susccess!!! It was not anymore about who had the biggest wallet, but rather who was the best chassis/engine tuner and driver.
Remeber a competition ends when there's no longer a competition..
I just hate when(as a bystander) the faster car just jumps up front and the slower just follows...
I myself concider me an average R/C driver... At the most LOL, but what I lack in consistency, patience and timing(I'm a nerve wreck)I compensate with all the power I can get and innovative things I do the chassis to try and catch up with the group. But when you have the talent and lots of cash a better driver than you with a spending limit dosent stand a chance.
My vote goes to RC10, a class by itself!!!

[optiman]

RC10 Class

Same, hand out motor, marked, sealed.
Same tires/wheels for everyone
Same battery
Same stock steering, unmodified.
Stock un modified towers

You get to play/adjust with; electronics, spur, shock piston and oil, turnbuckles, battery placement and shock position.
I guarantee you a really exiting, PACKED, competition match!!!

[Robby]

Originally Posted by optiman

I do believe that the RC10 could be a very suscesfull class by itself.
I use to road race 1:1 race cars not long ago (still do, but Solo 1)and one of the biggest points of discussion are always the advantages or disadvantages from race car to race car; displacement, chassis manufacturer, etc, etc...
Then came the Neon Challenge...

And how long did it last?

[optiman]

Originally Posted by Robby

And how long did it last?

You have a point there Robby. Here the Neon Challenge lasted nothing(compared to others), I dont know how long it lasted in the main US. Here I blame the CCCPR organization that administers the road racing club locally, but the idea itself was great.
The problem with a only RC10 class with no-mod rules is that people might get bored, specially now that brushless motors dont even need maintainance. At least back in the day you had to have the com in great shape, play with spring tension, etc, etc...
But for true competitiveness the idea, in theory works.

[jimmy]

Race it as a secomd class perhaps? Either way I can't see them being raced every weekend so little chance to get bored.

[peetbee]

Just need some new tyres and electrics and it's ready to race if a race series happens



Might throw a 13.5 in it and see how it gets on at club next month!

[J'MM'N]

Originally Posted by peetbee

Just need some new tyres and electrics and it's ready to race if a race series happens



Might throw a 13.5 in it and see how it gets on at club next month!

Can't run that blue screw in it

[peetbee]

Originally Posted by J'MM'N

Can't run that blue screw in it

you never know but the re-re might have a blue screw there and then it'll be ok!