Schumacher Cougar SV 2WD Buggy

[Stevo]

The info we have been given is it will be lipo down the centre.

[Welshy40]

Well Robin told me yesterday that if all goes well it should be put on the market in March. Kindof handy just before the season starts.

[Gibbon666]

Originally Posted by DCM

haa haa... they got to of had that wrong... I mean, I B4FT is less than £200....

If it is £299 then it's still a cheaper way to go mid motor 2WD than a B4 + X6 conversion plus I like the fact that you are buying a 2WD mid, not a 2WD + a conversion kit. I'd guess that's where they aimed their price - to compete with the X6. That's IF it is £299.

But if your happy with a B4 FT then why change? I've got a B4 FT and I'm happy with it, but this new Cougar is still interesting and very, very tempting. Just waiting to see more details before making a decision.

[mikeyscott]

B4 still won at Petit...

[DCM]

I don't understand that philosophy, It is OK to be expensive, as it is cheaper than building an AC2 or an X-6, but, allegedly, far more expensive than a B4??

[Gibbon666]

Originally Posted by mikeyscott

B4 still won at Petit...

I did say "I've got a B4 FT and I'm happy with it". I haven't said that there's anything wrong with a B4, but if it's mid motor that someone wants then the Cougar looks tempting.

Originally Posted by DCM

I don't understand that philosophy, It is OK to be expensive, as it is cheaper than building an AC2 or an X-6, but, allegedly, far more expensive than a B4??

I was trying to compare apples to apples - in this case mid motor competition 2WD to another mid motor Comp 2WD. Companies usually price to compete with something similar in the market. What else would Schumacher be aiming at than the X6?

[DCM]

Well, really, your not, if you want to compare like with like, then you have to compare new kit to new kit, not a conversion, so you have to compare it to the price of a B4, XXX, RB5 etc, as it don't matter where the weight is, it is a kit with no need to convert.

[jimmy]

Originally Posted by DCM

I don't understand that philosophy, It is OK to be expensive, as it is cheaper than building an AC2 or an X-6, but, allegedly, far more expensive than a B4??

240 quid for a standard B4 - thats how much they were when released. Compare the Cougar 6 years down the line with it's rumoured price, maybe it'll be cheaper than the rc10B5 that comes out in 2016?

[jimmy]

Originally Posted by DCM

Well, really, your not, if you want to compare like with like, then you have to compare new kit to new kit, not a conversion, so you have to compare it to the price of a B4, XXX, RB5 etc, as it don't matter where the weight is, it is a kit with no need to convert.

Steve - you're contradicting yourself there. You just said compare like for like - but the Schumacher isn't the same as those plastic chassis' cars? If Schumacher invest more and pump them out in mass volume we can all get a cheaper plastic car I'm sure. They could even make it look the same as those other three you mention - wouldn't that be awesome!

[DCM]

wasn't commenting on how they are constructed, Jimbo, more that it is a complete kit, that you buy, and build, not buy, buy a conversion, and mix the two together. We could mention that like for like is the BMax and the B44...

[Gibbon666]

Originally Posted by DCM

Well, really, your not, if you want to compare like with like, then you have to compare new kit to new kit, not a conversion, so you have to compare it to the price of a B4, XXX, RB5 etc, as it don't matter where the weight is, it is a kit with no need to convert.

As I said - I was comparing mid motor comp 2wd to mid motor comp 2wd. If you'd like to name some other mid motor 2WD non-conversion comp buggies then we can compare the prices of those. Like I said - I compared it to what I believe Schumacher are aiming at.

With it being a competition buggy, is the price tag very relevant. As long as it's not way over (£400+) then the people who really want one will find the money some way. If people are on a budget then it might not be the way to go (but racing isn't easy on a budget anyway), but people who are racing a lot will be spending more on race fees, petrol and other stuff.

If it is £299 then the street price will be lower - say £265 to £270. But this is all speculation as the price isn't confirmed.

And of course - if it comes out and doesn't do well - it won't sell. If it wins everything then people will buy it.

[DCM]

so buy that argument, as long as it is cheaper than making a new X6 Ellis Edition, thats ok, don't matter if it is well overpriced against the most competitive buggy out there, the B4?

[Gibbon666]

Yes, that's pretty much my point.

People buy the X6 don't they?

Everyone has their own preference. I'm sticking with my B4 until I get a proper look at the Cougar. Then we'll see - I might still stick with the B4 - there just isn't enough info yet to make a decision.

I take it you don't want me to reserve a Cougar for you then

[Chris Doughty]

there are a lot of people out there that don't really care about the price, also people that buy multiple cars in one season because they fancy a change too.

I think 50 quid here or there on the price of a competition level kit isn't going to put people off.

people will claim to be put off, but I'm sure they will have one.

don't underestimate human desire.

one thing... I wonder what wheel fitting it will have on the front...

[DCM]

I Will wait till I see the street price, I am looking for a 2wd, but I am not paying stupid money for it.

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by DCM

so buy that argument, as long as it is cheaper than making a new X6 Ellis Edition, thats ok, don't matter if it is well overpriced against the most competitive buggy out there, the B4?

ste were have you been? the x6 is the most competative 2wd out there at the mo, look at the national results,well it will be till the new cougar is out,so yes its still cheaper than the best out there,

[James]

Schumacher will fill an actual gap in the actual market; an off the shelf mid motored car at reasonable money that will definately be competitive, be available shortly and have good parts backup, what more could you ask for from them, good job i say

[bigred5765]

agree with the man above well said james,

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by smOkin

Schumacher will fill an actual gap in the actual market; an off the shelf mid motored car at reasonable money that will definately be competitive, be available shortly and have good parts backup, what more could you ask for from them, good job i say

Not quite sure, that there is the "gap" you emntion though James, "most" of that criteria is already filled and most of the rest that currently may not be is being worked on hard already.

The current crop of cars are reasonable value (and about to improve soon too), already have the great spares back up and are also available soon if not already (and I dont just mean an X6 before anyone says , B4, RB5, XXXCR all included too)

[bigred5765]

I think he was talking about a mid motored production car,thats the gap,