bye bye f1.....

[Hog]

Originally Posted by spud31

But whos goona be dicky davis to present it lol.
Dave your old like me wasnt it always from Wimbledon stadium?

Rich

Wimbledon, Ipswich, Yarmouth and Aldershot..........Spedeworth had a monopoly it seems.

Nostalgia is leaf springs and crossply tyres...........

[Nick Goodall]

Originally Posted by Welshy40

About time to. To think this sport is where the development is supposed to happen on new car products, but down sizing and slowing these cars down defies logik. Heck I can go out and by a road car (for a huge amount of dosh) that will be quiker than an F1 car. Why??? These guys are paid huge amounts of money and its about time they went quicker, not slower. Bernie and spaz Mosley should leave now.

I don't think there's a single road car that would get near an F1 car, not even close.

[peetbee]

I find it amusing that Bernie and Max were part of FOCA (FOTA's predecessor) and that it's the teams that put them (especially Bernie) where they are now!

In my opinion F1 needed Bernie in the late 70's into the 1980s to get it more professional. I also think that the problem these days is more Max than Bernie, it's interesting to see how he's distanced himself a bit from Max over the last year or so.

[Lee]

Does anyone think it will actually happen? I can not see Max etc letting so many of the big teams that make F1 walk away, they will come to a compromise.

I think though if it were to happen you would have bernie running the new series in some form or another. Even if it was not publically known he would not miss another opportunity to make a few quid.

I can't see it splitting but it will be nice to watch the fire works over the next month or so. Also do Lola know some thing, they have spent millions on design for a 2010 car and get put on the reserve list (not by PW ) and then when they realistically have a chance of entering F1 they pull out. Are they too going to go in a new series? This season needed some excitement

[kwik]

feel free to disagree, but i think there shouldnt be a season next year, so it gives all the upcoming teams and existing teams to sort out F1 and get it back on the road....

they should keep F1, make the rules simpeler and make the cars faster and noisier, and during that year all the new cars are made and its all happy familys....

[mole2k]

The biggest problem I see is the loss of some of the great circuits which the new series might not get access too; monaco, spa, etc.

[Nick Goodall]

Originally Posted by mole2k

The biggest problem I see is the loss of some of the great circuits which the new series might not get access too; monaco, spa, etc.

I think the new series whatever it ends up being called will get preference to these Circuits over "F1" as we know it - Providing that it does actually split into 2 championships.

I can't see there being room for both though, who in their right mind is going to go and watch Williams blitz Prodrive, Lola and USF1? It'll be worse the F3 or even worse A1GP!

There's only room for one of the two, and i think it's fair to say it'll be wherever Ferrari, McLaren and the big boys go to play

[mole2k]

A friend of mine was afraid the new series would get rubbish coverage but I could see it quite easily taking over as the main series due to the teams that'll be in it. As long as the tracks arnt stuck under some contractual obligations that would hopefully mean all the good tracks go to the new series.

[greggy]

Originally Posted by Hog

Wimbledon, Ipswich, Yarmouth and Aldershot..........Spedeworth had a monopoly it seems.

Nostalgia is leaf springs and crossply tyres...........

and what about
belle vue
kings lynn
coventry
brands
mallory

lol

[Benh]

Originally Posted by Ant

One thing that will be sure is that Max will do his upmost to ensure that none of the 8 teams win the championship this year.......or one will become a bigtime scapegoat!

They picked on McLaren all last year, if they do well this weekend with their new diffusers, they'll probably get another large dose.

Gonna be a tough challenge stopping Brawn winning the Championship, even if he popped them on the back of the grid at every race. If he does, I can see the headline - "Buttons undone by Mosley - This time in full view"

[telboy]

I think you will find this (if the split occurs - which I doubt it will), F1 as we know it now will become a middle eastern/asian series, as this is what Max/Bernie want as the advertising laws aren't as heavy over there.

The 'new F1' will be European and US based as this is where most of the teams are based.

Personally, I think they will work something out, even it means Max being ousted, which wouldn't be a bad thing.


Get Eddie Jordan in as FIA president! thats wat I say.

[kwik]

eddie and coulthart FIA presidents!!! lol yeah that would be great....

no more stupid KERS, more money, more noise, more FREEDOM

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by Nick Goodall

I don't think there's a single road car that would get near an F1 car, not even close.

Top end the Bugatti Veyron. Maclaren F1 road car both can easily do 241, so how many times has an F1 car hit that speed in the last ten years, mmm doubt even once. When Senna and Mansell and Prost raced they were hitting over 200 regularly, now its slower and more boring.

[Graeme]

Originally Posted by telboy

I think you will find this (if the split occurs - which I doubt it will), F1 as we know it now will become a middle eastern/asian series, as this is what Max/Bernie want as the advertising laws aren't as heavy over there.

The 'new F1' will be European and US based as this is where most of the teams are based.

Personally, I think they will work something out, even it means Max being ousted, which wouldn't be a bad thing.


Get Eddie Jordan in as FIA president! thats wat I say.

I think Terry's pretty spot on here. Little by little the Grand Prix are heading east where the cash is and the cigarette related laws aren't.

Personally I 'd oust Bernie purely based on his haircut - someone with that amount of money should be able to do better - is his missus blind?

Bring back turbos, ground effect, unlimited tyres (none of this two obligatory compound kerfuffle) and a ban on refuelling to oblige overtaking to take place on the track and not in the pits.

Rant over!

Cheers

Graeme

[SlowOne]

This is surely about getting rid of Max, isn't it? The teams are p****d off with his constant changing of Rules, and want to get back to some stability.

Originally Posted by mikeyscott

I want Ferrari, Mclaren to head to GT / endurance racing.

Goodbye Mosley and good ridence.

I don't! Which TV station is going to clear a schedule for a 4, 6 or 12 hour race, and would anyone watch it!

Originally Posted by Nick Goodall

I don't think there's a single road car that would get near an F1 car, not even close.

Ever seen the Marlboro promotion film? McLaren F1 v Porsche 911 Turbo v Honda Civic in Portugal. Honda sets off, followed by Porsche 25 seconds later, followed by McLaren just over a minute later - standing start, one lap. McLaren crosses the line ahead of them both. Can you find me the road car that does 0-160-0 in under ten seconds, generates 4g in a corner, and will go from 200mph to 60 mph in under 100 metres? If you took the aero off an F1 car it would do over 300 mph! Bugatti Veyron - pah!!

Originally Posted by peetbee

I find it amusing that Bernie and Max were part of FOCA (FOTA's predecessor) and that it's the teams that put them (especially Bernie) where they are now!

In my opinion F1 needed Bernie in the late 70's into the 1980s to get it more professional. I also think that the problem these days is more Max than Bernie, it's interesting to see how he's distanced himself a bit from Max over the last year or so.

My thoughts too. Back in the late 1980s, we had the same situation with a guy called Jean-Marie Balestre, Max's predecessor. We went through the same things, we had the same threats, we even had boycotts of GPs. And, guess what, we still have F1.

Did you hear the interview with Bernie today? He denied there was a problem, said he hadn't read the FOTA statement, and that he didn't see where the problem was. He refused to say anything about it. there's a man with a problem to solve, and waiting for his moment!

The FIA has a huge income from F1, and if Max puts that in jeopardy, he's in trouble. Bernie has contracts with the TV stations and circuits to provide specific drivers and incomes. Neither of them can afford to let this happen. Bernie and FOTA depend on each other for the income, but Max is dispensable. We've been here before, and the answer was to do what the Teams and Bernie want - to continue with the contracts that bring in the gravy, and to reduce costs by having Rule stability. And who doesn't want that? And who does not control what the Teams do to earn their money?

Sayonara Max Rufus Mosley...

[rich_cree]

Originally Posted by Welshy40

Top end the Bugatti Veyron. Maclaren F1 road car both can easily do 241, so how many times has an F1 car hit that speed in the last ten years, mmm doubt even once. When Senna and Mansell and Prost raced they were hitting over 200 regularly, now its slower and more boring.

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/21/h...at-bonneville/

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Fuel

"with the fastest cars reaching the end of the 1/4 mile in less than 4.5 seconds at speeds up to 337 mph (530 km/h). "

So to sum up none of the current road cars are really even remotely exceptional in straight line or laptime when compared to race cars.

As for suggesting the teams would be better off doing GT racing, on the face of it GT racing may look better because every car looks different, thats only because the design process is much less optimised. If F1 teams got involved they's all get much closer to the optimum, in fact I'd argue that the current F1 rules force engineers to be creative, whereas the GT rules make it a bit easier.

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by rich_cree

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/07/21/h...at-bonneville/

or

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Fuel

"with the fastest cars reaching the end of the 1/4 mile in less than 4.5 seconds at speeds up to 337 mph (530 km/h). "

So to sum up none of the current road cars are really even remotely exceptional in straight line or laptime when compared to race cars.

As for suggesting the teams would be better off doing GT racing, on the face of it GT racing may look better because every car looks different, thats only because the design process is much less optimised. If F1 teams got involved they's all get much closer to the optimum, in fact I'd argue that the current F1 rules force engineers to be creative, whereas the GT rules make it a bit easier.

The two links relate to cars that cant go round corners so doesnt really count ad dont forget mach one was achieved in a jet powered car. F1 cars are slower in a straight line on a race track and just because they make a gearbox for straight line speed doesnt mean itll reach that on a circuit. But then again compared to the older f1 cars these new cars are slow. Lemans cars hit a higher top end and do cracking somersaults at over 200 mph. Still the reason its pants is because of bernie and max and they should leave. I would like to shake the guys hands whoever they are who stole bernies car wheels. His face was a picture.

[racestar 11]

What i dont understand is how a football team is allowed to buy one player for 80 million but an f1 team is only allowed half that amount to run a team for a season where is the logic in that, get rid of the idiots in suits that make these rules and let em spend the money on the greatest spectical in motorsport

[4wdlover]

it's going to be interesting, to say the least.

[Hog]

Originally Posted by greggy

and what about
belle vue
kings lynn
coventry
brands
mallory

lol

Don't recall those being covered on the old World of Sport. I may be wrong of course. Did they run bangers at Mallory Park - it's huge!