What caused this ?

[Chrislong]

Hey Carl,
Well, over time (like we do) I had soldered up my speedo wires, and over the course of changing my cells regular I had changed the brand of corally tubes without changing the plugs.

In all honest, what happened is I would normally buy EVERYTHING I need from Dom at DC Racing and it has always been good compatible stuff, but because I was sponsorred for cells by Infinity I had Daryl solder up my latest sets for me - using the corally tubes which he gets in (and rebag as Infinity). So the mix of plug from DC Racing and tubes from Lesro/Infinity, although they felt secure, the resistance was sky high and eventually they deteriorated to the point that the solder melted on the cells and plugs fell off.

Right, well the LRP plugs I get now are from DC Racing. I specifically wanted these as they are silver, so when I randomly find a gold plug in my box, I won't use it ever again and my plugs will always be compatible.

I got these LRP plugs in a pack containing 2 males and 10 females. Part number NR.65830. I put them on about 2-3 weeks ago, and I feel absolutely no difference in performance, I have been soldering since about October, and although it solved my issue, I hated doing it.


Rich, mate, please stop calling it "Poor car prep", call it "Inadvertantly using incompatible plugs, or aged plugs"

[Richard Lowe]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

I didn't know there were 2 different kinds of corrallys,
please explain may be there in was our problem
but as i said i only really changed over because we had a connector fall of mid stream a good race
whats these LRP ones like i come see at batley if thats OK??

That was probably the problem, it's made worse by the fact a lot of them arn't marked any differently but they can be a different size.
It's usually easy to tell with the tubes by the thickness of the material. With the plugs though you need one of the smaller tubes as I find it hard to tell by eye. If it fits in one of the smaller tubes it's the smaller type of plug, but normally the larger plugs wont even goto the springy bit in the smaller tube if you know what I mean.

Sorry Chris, your cars are beautifully prepared

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by Richard Lowe

hehe this is funny

Not to be awkward Carl but you have an amazing habit of quoting people out of context to your own advantage.


Reads a bit differently with the last bit added back on
(That would be arcing btw)



I never said it was wrong to solder cells in, I origonally asked how it could keep the electrics cooler. I don't know why people bother to do it for the miniscule voltage increase the speedo sees, thats my point. Prove to us why you apparently must solder cells in.
It's certainly not for an increase in power as lots of people these days claim to be able to make their car too fast for the track, other than the connector falling out due to poor car prep why do people do it?


Now now play nice

ok sorry lol its getting your posts up

as i have said loads of times already i didnt say speed or power or anything other than
we lost a race at about 3-4 mins in because connector fell out
soldered in its never done it since
and i have seen loads of cars buy the way side with loose connectors,
yeh i do personelly think that the heat in the car was less after i did it but that was at least two years ago, we must have had loads of dodgy corrallys,
craggy said solder em in, and since then we havent had a problem so why change,

to me if you solder or use corrallys is down to personel pref
if my speedo went puff, weather its on plugs or soldered in its still buggered
and only phill sleigh had a valid point i will say yeh he was right there,it would give the manufaturer more chance to replace it less damage because of plugs,and gives the marshal a chance too,i conseed that but as stated youll see more stopped cars in a year because of loose plugs than blow up beond repair because of soldering in direct
god rant over
lol im bored

[PaulRotheram]

Put it this way, if your cars esc blows, and i can't dissconnect the wires, it'l be getting put on its roof and left alone as i'm not risking my self due to the fact everything is hard wired in.

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Is Richard not on your list of top drivers Carl.

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by Chrislong

Hey Carl,
Well, over time (like we do) I had soldered up my speedo wires, and over the course of changing my cells regular I had changed the brand of corally tubes without changing the plugs.

In all honest, what happened is I would normally buy EVERYTHING I need from Dom at DC Racing and it has always been good compatible stuff, but because I was sponsorred for cells by Infinity I had Daryl solder up my latest sets for me - using the corally tubes which he gets in (and rebag as Infinity). So the mix of plug from DC Racing and tubes from Lesro/Infinity, although they felt secure, the resistance was sky high and eventually they deteriorated to the point that the solder melted on the cells and plugs fell off.

Right, well the LRP plugs I get now are from DC Racing. I specifically wanted these as they are silver, so when I randomly find a gold plug in my box, I won't use it ever again and my plugs will always be compatible.

I got these LRP plugs in a pack containing 2 males and 10 females. Part number NR.65830. I put them on about 2-3 weeks ago, and I feel absolutely no difference in performance, I have been soldering since about October, and although it solved my issue, I hated doing it.


Rich, mate, please stop calling it "Poor car prep", call it "Inadvertantly using incompatible plugs, or aged plugs"

again i agree chris, and if i came across in anyway making someone think that soldering in cells is a hugh advantage let me stop it right now, in no way could i say i saw any power or speed advantage,just i always have the iron on and its not hard to do,it stopps any confusion over dodgy or old plugs,
i also never had a disconection problem,or fried speedo for that matter and yes i belive it all down to good prep, sorry chris i do agree with richard there,

[MattW]

There are more than one type "corally" plug out on the market. You have to be very careful and just keep to one brand. I used to always keep to genuine corally ones as i always thoughts theirs were better than any others.

These different brands are not all the same. You can have plugs that won't fit tubes, and plugs that are loose in tubes. None of this is good!!

They are all "gold plated" (maybe!) which in truth as a material is crap as far as conductivity is concerned. It's a material that is used purely as it doesn't corrode easily.

The LRP silver ones would be much better in this respect - silver being the best conductor of electricity (yes better than copper).

........and one of the best (funniest) reasons that i ever heard to solder was that a driver was too tight to buy corally's - as his sponser didn't have them!!! made me laugh.

Personally i (generally) solder my cells in, all classes. First did it 12th scale as it was actually easier as it took up a lot less space inside the car. Some of my practice cells still have corally's on them - as i can't always be ar**d to solder at club meetings

[Chrislong]

Hey Carl,
There are three catagories here.

1. Those who solder
2. Those who use plugs that match
3. Those who get random plugs

So, the ones who you will see with plugs falling/fallen out in a race will be catagory 3. Thats where I was before I went to 1, but now I am a 2, its the best way for me.

Sounds like you've been a 3, now a 1, but I reckon you'd like a No.2?

oh, how confusing is that

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by PaulRotheram

Put it this way, if your cars esc blows, and i can't dissconnect the wires, it'l be getting put on its roof and left alone as i'm not risking my self due to the fact everything is hard wired in.

paul if that happend to my car i would'nt expect anyone to do that
not even you,
i would be the first there with the twiggs and wood to make the bugger burn
but thats the risk you take, do you risk haveing wires come unplugged costing you ur ftd (which you know is when its going to do that) or solder and keep it, never had a speedo fry yet (kiss of death there then )lol
had load of disconections due to dodgy connectors though my choice as said down to personell pref
and matt wish i had thought of that
yeh sounds good im to tight to buy corrrallys, i change my mind its just cheaper that sounds good
there u go rich new reason to ague over

[Chrislong]

But you forget to solder them up in the first place, then have to leg it for an iron.

[Chrislong]

Originally Posted by big si

would you be able to tell me where you got them (and dont say lrp lol) i mean what shops stock them in the uk

Hi Simon,
Any shop with a Helger account can order them, Helger have them on the shelf. I got mine from DC Racing, and got them very quickly too (thanks Dom)

Chris

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by Spencer Mulcahy

Is Richard not on your list of top drivers Carl.

no far from it rich is quite a good throttle jammer
sorry driver lol
i stood behind him in york when they asked me to ref and his fingers were just a blur,i really am to old to race at that level anymore, thats why im just a pit bitch now,still love the sport to bits but know i wouldnt be able to keep up with all those little whipper snappers,

[PaulRotheram]

so carl, are you a number 1, 2 or 3?

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by PaulRotheram

so carl, are you a number 1, 2 or 3?

at the track number one
in life defiantly a number 2 and proud of it
my parents called me a little number 2 and god dam it i am lol
until weekend then I'm a number 1 head lol

[super__dan]

I have had the same problem as Chris, one combo desoldered at Kiddie last year, then I resoldered with Deans solder and it came off again next run. I must admit to never once having considered soldering them in for pure hassle and so often they look terrible. Also the heat you pump into the 2 end cells can't do them any good.

I hadn't realised you'd gone to this pure LRP combo but sounds an excellent idea, I think for my 07 cells I'll defo go for all new, whatever brand that turns out to be. Anyone want to buy any 2nd hand connectors?

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by LiamD

Mark, on the first page you said Adam's car got hit before it went up in smoke, not quite true if you ask him. He told me the car just died and he tried to steer it off the track.

I think Adam solders his cells in as normally he's racing in the top 10 at nationals, so you try to minimise the risk of anything stopping your race... hence, soldering the cells in. Most top 12th drivers do it.

odd i was stood marshalling where it stopped and saw it take a side swipe! they die and then smoke

[Adam Skelding]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

so the likes of neil cragg are british champion should be banned because he solders in cells
paul bradbury
dave bailey
adam skelding
matthew latham
colin brenan
and all major big league guys do this
u lose loads of voltage and produce heat in the cables
through plugs
and yes we have had plugs even corralys come of a cause us to lose a race

Hmm.
I don't solder my cells in. Never have, never will. As I get older I sometimes forget to put my cells on and I find having tubes allows me to charge to the last minute to get as much into my cells as possible to power my car to a first corner crash.

Never had an Orion tube come unconnected...

[xx4-nutter]

well i wouldnt like to come across a car that has gone up in smoke or starting to in a race if i was marshaling it, what if it caught fire becuase it was solderd in ? . or even blew up ?

i think indoors direct soldering should be banned, i think its kinda dangerous....

edit -- actually thinking about it, this must have been the first time ive seen this, but now its opend my eyes up to the posibilities of what could accur -- edit


Garry D.

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by Adam Skelding

Hmm.
I don't solder my cells in. Never have, never will. As I get older I sometimes forget to put my cells on and I find having tubes allows me to charge to the last minute to get as much into my cells as possible to power my car to a first corner crash.

Never had an Orion tube come unconnected...

sorry adam
thought u did
edit

remove adam from the list

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by xx4-nutter

well i wouldn't like to come across a car that has gone up in smoke or starting to in a race if i was marshaling it, what if it caught fire because it was soldered in ? . or even blew up ?

i think indoors direct soldering should be banned, i think its kinda dangerous....

edit -- actually thinking about it, this must have been the first time Ive seen this, but now its opened my eyes up to the possibilities of what could occur -- edit


Garry D.

you can just start coming up with what ifs or we would all stop racing
its a dangerous sport,
battery's are volatile and always have been(they do and have exploded on charge so do we Ban chargers that make cells go bang)??
it's the first time i have ever seen a soldered speedo go bang
i have seen more go bang that were wired using connectors,so do we Ban connectors as its there fault, and loads more stopped because of unplugged wires,and Ur all missing the point the car had been side swiped,
in the 2 years i have been soldering in i have had no problems,
its down to personnel choice,its only been brought up because one car fried
but what ill do is keep an eye on it,