Rogers Regional Poll

[MikePimlott]

Please explain your reason for picking your option.

[DanW]

2WD / 4WD on same day but drivers can only enter one class per event.

That would limit numbers and open up places without having to change calendars.

Seperate days for seperate classes is good for drivers wanting to do regionals, but has a negative impact on regular club calendars / attendances for the host clubs.

[Tom3012]

Originally Posted by DanW

2WD / 4WD on same day but drivers can only enter one class per event.

That would limit numbers and open up places without having to change calendars.

Seperate days for seperate classes is good for drivers wanting to do regionals, but has a negative impact on regular club calendars / attendances for the host clubs.

+1

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by DanW

2WD / 4WD on same day but drivers can only enter one class per event.

That would limit numbers and open up places without having to change calendars.

Seperate days for seperate classes is good for drivers wanting to do regionals, but has a negative impact on regular club calendars / attendances for the host clubs.

i dont think it would
you can run regional and non scoring on same day
4wd had 87 booked in leaving 30 40 places for non count club racers

[Si Coe]

The issue of people doing enough rounds is central to this. The last few years the numbers actually doing the required 4 has been rather low.

However, the problem there is one of location and weather. Southport and Bury aren't that far apart, and a large portion of the regions racers live quite near both. South Lakes, Batley and Keighley are all much further away, so for many racers the easy, cheap route to 4 rounds is to do the Southport and Bury meets, and miss out the 'away' rounds.
Then it rains like it did for Bury's round last year and people don't come - suddenly a huge chunk of racers missing enough rounds to score.

Truth is there isn't a solution to that problem unless we ran indoors!

[sly]

Originally Posted by Si Coe

The issue of people doing enough rounds is central to this. The last few years the numbers actually doing the required 4 has been rather low.

However, the problem there is one of location and weather. Southport and Bury aren't that far apart, and a large portion of the regions racers live quite near both. South Lakes, Batley and Keighley are all much further away, so for many racers the easy, cheap route to 4 rounds is to do the Southport and Bury meets, and miss out the 'away' rounds.
Then it rains like it did for Bury's round last year and people don't come - suddenly a huge chunk of racers missing enough rounds to score.

Truth is there isn't a solution to that problem unless we ran indoors!

Sorry to pick on you Si , Batley dont want us anymore, Keighley is unfortunatley closed, and i`d go to southlakes twice every year as they are very welcoming to everyone who turns up with some great phrases like 'grass is best' and 'if your ready where racing'

[DanW]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

i dont think it would
you can run regional and non scoring on same day
4wd had 87 booked in leaving 30 40 places for non count club racers

What I was getting at is that whilst one club is hosting a regional the other two are down on numbers or closed. Traditionally clubs in the region have closed on regional dates to help boost attendances.

Two day format takes a lot of days out of the calendar, even if a club opens whilst another is hosting it still means that date has to be written off and can't be used for a club competition or such like.

Two day format obviously benefits those drivers that want to follow event type meetings, but detrimantal to regular club attendances. With a limited number of venues and a limited number of drivers it comes down to a balance of satisying both competition events and club racing.

[Pitman Ed]

My vote:
2WD Sat/4WD Sun say 5 or 6 weekends gives everyone a chance to get F grade if they want it, even if they work regular Sat or Sun. Serious racers can do both if they wish.

You need at least 3 from 4; better 3 from 5.

But:
Let clubs open every week if they wish; some people don't want an F grade, and don't want to travel to race, but they have no option as things are now. That change alone would reduce the numbers booking in to regionals, and may avoid the current problem. In that case I think it may work leaving things as they are currently.

[Col]

Other.

There is one simple solution to this fiasco.

You NEED a central booking system. From there priority can (and should) be given to people entering all meetings first, enough meetings to complete the series second, and to anyone else third. Booking in needs to open well in advance and close a couple of weeks before the first round with confirmation e-mails sent no later than 1 week after closing.
After that it doesn't matter what format is run (as long as the format was clearly advertised before booking in opened). People will have been able to make an informed decision from the info provided, with no "first come first served".

Can I close the thread now?

[The race controller]

Originally Posted by Col

Other.

There is one simple solution to this fiasco.

You NEED a central booking system. From there priority can (and should) be given to people entering all meetings first, enough meetings to complete the series second, and to anyone else third. Booking in needs to open well in advance and close a couple of weeks before the first round with confirmation e-mails sent no later than 1 week after closing.
After that it doesn't matter what format is run (as long as the format was clearly advertised before booking in opened). People will have been able to make an informed decision from the info provided, with no "first come first served".

Can I close the thread now?

And if you're not on oOple or the net ???????

[Northy]

Originally Posted by The race controller

And if you're not on oOple or the net ???????

John (Oscar) was suggesting not allowing F1's to race in the regionals, but then if that F1 had decided to not do the Nationals that year, then they'd have no series to race in.... (as they'd not be doing Nationals through choice and Regionals because they weren't allowed).

Make sense?

[bigred5765]

OK then heres one ill volunteer myself for running and setting up central booking system for the northwest,

[MikePimlott]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

OK then heres one ill volunteer myself for running and setting up central booking system for the northwest,

Woody, sign him up.

Im not giving him any cash though

[bigred5765]

Originally Posted by MikePimlott

Woody, sign him up.

Im not giving him any cash though

youll do as your told

[Si Coe]

I'm not racing in the regionals but that doesn't mean I won't help out. I'm not that convinced we really need scrutineering in this day and age but can do it if people want.

[AndyG]

my 2p - voted for keeping as is. Both classes on the same day.

John Price makes one key point which I think (again, an opinion) should be fundamental here - the Regional series is there for people wanting to compete in a series of meetings and attain an F rating.

Centralised and advance booking, with advance payment, and advance warning is a pre-requisite, and then you prioritise in order...

1) Those wanting to do all 6, and paying up front
2) All 5
3) The minimum 4
4) Then fill each meeting using members from the host club as a priority.

I won't go into the F1 thing, cos I think it detracts from the key points above!

2p spent.

Andy Grason

[budfish]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

OK then heres one ill volunteer myself for running and setting up central booking system for the northwest,

The man!!!!!!

Good on you Carl

[scotty_big_flip]

if it aint broke...

[Col]

Originally Posted by scotty_big_flip

if it aint broke...

The general feeling is that it is broke...
5 pages of broke in this thread and 8 pages in the other: http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94038
I'd say that's pretty broke.

[budfish]

I picked separate Sunday's because I only drive 4wd so chances are it would be a shorter day with plenty of places for everyone who wants to race. But I'm not sure how it would effect club numbers