Pre-Booking

[woOdy]

Hi guys.
Just to let you know I have had a chat with the BRCA Rep and as far as pre-booking, there is no pre-booking this year.
There will be next year but for this year it is only to let the club know your details to make the booking in process quicker.
This means if you want to race then booking in will be on the day and not before the day.
If you are going to go just let them know so they can organise the day for the numbers of drivers.

[Evo_Snr]

Originally Posted by woOdy

Hi guys.
Just to let you know I have had a chat with the BRCA Rep and as far as pre-booking, there is no pre-booking this year.
There will be next year but for this year it is only to let the club know your details to make the booking in process quicker.
This means if you want to race then booking in will be on the day and not before the day.
If you are going to go just let them know so they can organise the day for the numbers of drivers.

If we did not pre book for round 1 ,we would have have the same situation as last year . This year ran smooth with a heat list produced in advance. booking in only meant ticking off and paying while race control could update xtals and pt's. How long do you think it would take to type in 120 drivers details?
Do you take the first 120 drivers and turn the rest away.

[Evo_Snr]

Originally Posted by woOdy

Hi guys.
Just to let you know I have had a chat with the BRCA Rep and as far as pre-booking, there is no pre-booking this year.
There will be next year but for this year it is only to let the club know your details to make the booking in process quicker.
This means if you want to race then booking in will be on the day and not before the day.
If you are going to go just let them know so they can organise the day for the numbers of drivers.

Is that not pre brooking

[Chrislong]

So, the way I interpret Woody's post, is it is now email to update database and intention to race but this doesn't guaratee you a booking (ideal for club to save time, but not necessary). But the booking in process is first come/first serve in the queue on the day? Will that mean the last few in the queue will fight to the death, survivors race?

So would booking in process be slower?? If so, there is less time to get the racing in, yet we're trying to squeeze everyone in, so we'll be going home at 8pm? This year is a organisers nightmare. I don't think there is a way to keep everyoen happy

So whats going to be different for next year to make it different to this? Two day regionals?

[burgie]

I'm with Eric on this.

surely what the clubs have done thus far is classed as pre-booking? Is all that to be discounted now, so booking in can be a free for all at the next round?

Somebody is confused

[steel]

So in theory you could have lets say 150 drivers turn up on the day book in the first 120 then turn the rest away that doesnt sound right to me sounds like bad organisation

[Kecky]

We'll all be camping out in our sleeping bags outside race control the night before to make sure we get in

I think this would also affect numbers as nobody will travel a hundred miles or so just on the off chance they get in.

I'm sure when WoOdy comes on and clarifies his post, we can sigh a breath of relief

[stuart slmcc]

I drove 115 miles sunday to southport plus 115 back noing i was going to be racing . will be more for batley. Im happy for it to be pre booking so i no im going to be in . like its been said ill have to camp or hotel it the night before to ensure im in if its first come basis. If club secretarys or your fellow racers cant pass info on by sending an email or ringing you thats a poor do . I passed info on to members that i wasnt sure of if they are on oople or not even some that are. May be people should go thro there club secretarys to per book in ?? . I would like to say thanks to chris cherry for taking up the job for the southlakes on the 22nd of may cracking job fella .

Well thats my 50ps worth .

[NISMOBUGGY]

Originally Posted by woOdy

Hi guys.
Just to let you know I have had a chat with the BRCA Rep and as far as pre-booking, there is no pre-booking this year.
There will be next year but for this year it is only to "let the club know your details to make the booking in process quicker".
This means if you want to race then booking in will be on the day and not before the day.
If you are going to go just let them know so they can organise the day for the numbers of drivers.

So for the avoidance of any doubt and to keep all campers happy who exactly at the club do we give our details to so the "booking in process" is quicker?

[Evo_Snr]

Originally Posted by NISMOBUGGY

So for the avoidance of any doubt and to keep all campers happy who exactly at the club do we give our details to so the "booking in process" is quicker?

These are the clubs in the Northwest Region

Southport :- [email protected]
Batley :- [email protected]
South Lakes :- [email protected]
Keighley :- [email protected]
Bury :- [email protected]

[Si Coe]

Last year, Southport's 1st round had a slow booking in because so many peoples details needed entering, but after that all the other rounds ran smoothly. That wasn't due to numbers, just the fact that following the winter indoor series at Chadderton, the majority of the drivers were already in Bury's database (also used at Keighley) so booking them in was really just a matter of collecting the money and arranging heats.

Bury has 2 sets of transponders, meaning PT's aren't required for 11 car or more heats. I'm sure if need be these could be available to other clubs.

The issue here is not the Southport meeting. The issue is the mad rush to pre-book for every other round, even one months away as everyone panics that they won't get a place.

Personally I won't be racing in the regionals this year, because I just think this is plain silly and I know I'm not alone in being put off by the stampede to pre-book.

Regionals are supposed to be open to everyone, not just the first 70 people who booked in in March for a race in June and filled both classes.

We need to improve the system so that anyone who wants to race can, not just turn around and go 'tough luck, we're full', which is the case now.

Pre-booking helps on a packed day I agree, and I'm quite in favor of being booked in before I leave the house, but full entry lists weeks in advance are a different matter.

If pre-booking suggest you are going to get 140 entries and the meeting isn't for a least a fortnight, don't close the entries, work out how to make it work! Either get those in two classes to choose one and let some more folks race, or find a way to race 140 drivers in a day. If you know thats the case in advance, you've time to solve it.

[carpenterdean]

Originally Posted by Si Coe

Last year, Southport's 1st round had a slow booking in because so many peoples details needed entering, but after that all the other rounds ran smoothly. That wasn't due to numbers, just the fact that following the winter indoor series at Chadderton, the majority of the drivers were already in Bury's database (also used at Keighley) so booking them in was really just a matter of collecting the money and arranging heats.

Bury has 2 sets of transponders, meaning PT's aren't required for 11 car or more heats. I'm sure if need be these could be available to other clubs.

The issue here is not the Southport meeting. The issue is the mad rush to pre-book for every other round, even one months away as everyone panics that they won't get a place.

Personally I won't be racing in the regionals this year, because I just think this is plain silly and I know I'm not alone in being put off by the stampede to pre-book.

Regionals are supposed to be open to everyone, not just the first 70 people who booked in in March for a race in June and filled both classes.

We need to improve the system so that anyone who wants to race can, not just turn around and go 'tough luck, we're full', which is the case now.

Pre-booking helps on a packed day I agree, and I'm quite in favor of being booked in before I leave the house, but full entry lists weeks in advance are a different matter.

If pre-booking suggest you are going to get 140 entries and the meeting isn't for a least a fortnight, don't close the entries, work out how to make it work! Either get those in two classes to choose one and let some more folks race, or find a way to race 140 drivers in a day. If you know thats the case in advance, you've time to solve it.

I agree with alot of what this guy has to say, especially those doing 2 classes being made to choose one or the other. I had decided to do 2 classes at southport but when i realised that the meeting was getting full and others were on the reserve list who wanted to race i was only to happy to give up my 4wd slot so someone else could race, so maybe all we're talking about here is a little more consideration then if the spaces are still available then they could be offered back to people who want to do both. Your never gunna keep all of the people happy all of the time

[DianneH]

On behalf of the Batley Club, if you check the list of booking in you will see that I removed the reserve list at the beginning of last week and have taken everyone's details as they have been sent to me.

The database will have everyone's details before the day, they will be booked in for whichever class or classes they have entered and it is a simple process to confirm and pay on the day.

We will then sort the heats automatically according to the number of drivers booked in.

It is our intention to try to accommodate everyone who wants to race, in the best way we possibly can. Our track and rostrum is big enough for 11 car heats but looks as though this may not mow be possible due to BRCA rules.

We also intend to start booking in at 7.30 am which will then allow us to start racing earlier and will run the appropriate number of heats to accommodate everyone.

Let us hope that the weather does not let us down - if it is poor we will have no problems with the number of heats - everyone will stay in bed!

Note: Just seen previous message from Stu - if it has to stay at 10 car heats then that will have to be it - shame though because Batley track and rostrum can take this. I have asked him to check with BRCA as to whether this can be changed for individual meetings.

[DanW]

Originally Posted by Si Coe

Bury has 2 sets of transponders, meaning PT's aren't required for 11 car or more heats. I'm sure if need be these could be available to other clubs.

A lot of talk of 11 car heats. For me 10 cars is enough in a heat, more just becomes carnage. Not sure all the tracks/rostrums are big enough to accomodate this.

But a Regional is a BRCA sanctioned event, and as such runs to BRCA general rules.

From the book of words....

15. RACE PROCEDURES
GENERAL

15.1 All BRCA Sanctioned events will be run to BRCA rules.

15.10

The Qualifying Heats will consist of a maximum of ten cars.

15.11

With the possible exception of the lowest Final, all finals will be scheduled to consist of ten cars.
Any driver electing not to take part in a Final will result in an empty space on the grid. (Drivers from a

lower Final are not promoted upwards).

11 (or more) Car Heats =

[Stu]

Good spot Dan, no 11 car heats.