2011 calender

[jondell]

As much as i appreciate the relevant sections in getting the 2011 BRCA race dates out early, I do feel that sightly better coordination between the 2 main off road sections could have been achieved.

As this seems to be the most sensible forum to voice an opinion on this topic, I therefore suggest.... no plead, for anyone who is remotely connected to either section committee, to see sense in this situation for the good of both classes.

My suggestion is as follows:-

The 1/8th section move its round 2 date from Sunday 8th May to Sunday 1st May

The 1/10th section move its round 4 date from weekend of 18th/19th June to weekend of 25th/26th June

IF.... just IF this can be done, many more racers can attend both series (either racing, watching, supporting) and for the BRCA, they will be rewarded with the potential of having the very best racers representing them at the 2012 international everts.

IF we can not manage to do this, then one if not both classes, will be diluted. Equally this will also help the commercial industry, as our main players will be able to support both classes to their highest level.

So I ask again, if you agree with the simple suggestion and you know of any committee member, please have a chat. Lets make 2011 a year to remember

PS to those who are thinking it dont matter, my section will be fully booked, just think.... economic times are not good, until the numbers are in, we don't know for sure that high entires will happen in 2011. On top of that we seem to be losing a shut per month at the moment.

Thanks for reading

Jon Dell

[ashleyb4]

Iknow it takes the BRCA alot of work to co-ordinate with the clubs to arrange the callender. I know they will have arranged as best as they can not to clash with other series but if it unavoidable its unavoidable. So leave it alone. Personally im liking the looks of that list.

Ash

[Neil Skull]

I do agree with Jon.

It should be recognised that a lot of racers including the best in the country want to race 1/10th and 1/8th.

So it makes a lot of sense to get the organisers to discuss the dates and try to avoid clashes if possible.

I know this is not always easy to manage but it is in everyones interest

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by ashleyb4

Iknow it takes the BRCA alot of work to co-ordinate with the clubs to arrange the callender. I know they will have arranged as best as they can not to clash with other series but if it unavoidable its unavoidable. So leave it alone. Personally im liking the looks of that list.

Ash

as ususal ash....total rubbish. i doubt you have actually any experience of this so ill give you mine

i have done this years 10th ic national calander dates (8 rounds) and worked with the 8th on road section (9 rounds) in planning calanders. we do not have any clashes, and have avioded clashing with euros too, so it CAN be done if sections work together.
and ash, all done from sctatch in 2 weeks of planning to sorting dates to booking clubs.

clubs that are offered to host a national are not going to turn it down if thay have a club day planned for that day.

the other side of the coin is that i presume not all rounds count? and if drivers miss a few meets then it give reserves a chance to compete!

[RogerM]

List???? what list??? Are the dates available somewhere???

P.S. I agree with Jon to a large extent here, lots of cross overof interest. Anything has to be better than having to run on-road as theere are no off road events some weekends then a choice of 12teen the next.

On the other hand there may well be good reasons why this has happened which we don't know about, I still have total faith in the BRCA teams to give us the best racing they can!!!

[PTRU]

I am with John and Neil on this we are trying to put a programe together so these top events can be broadcast around the world live.

now some body has to deside which events this is going to happen and which ones are not, plus there is now a conflict for sponcers on this as well so it is quite a problem all round.

[TheReferee]

Originally Posted by jondell

My suggestion is as follows:-

The 1/8th section move its round 2 date from Sunday 8th May to Sunday 1st May

The 1/10th section move its round 4 date from weekend of 18th/19th June to weekend of 25th/26th June

without wishing to join in the for or against debate your suggestion on the 1/8 move means it will be on the royal wedding/bank hoilday weekend which may be a factor. on the face of it moving the second date may be possible, however, 1/8 round 6 and 7 have managed to clash with the 1/10 euros and 1/10 worlds!!

[Andy Taylor]

A lot of you will not have seen me post before. (the lucky ones) many of you will have . (sorry) I have stopped posting (other forums) in disgust at the way I have been treated by the BRCA as an ex BRCA and club Official.
Suffice to say I was stitched up by lies from a certain person who know who they are (I have refused for nearly 18 months to use the UK forums to let people know the truth of what has gone on)


BUT whilst this still remains true I saw this thread from Jon and know it is heartfelt and in many ways I fully understand where he is coming from.

Jon like myself calls a shovel a shovel and will undoubtedly get a bashing over this so thought he needed some support in what he is trying to achieve.

However as someone like Jon who tried their hardest to get a thriving Regional calendar in 8th rallycross as they have in 10th offroad its one hell of a task to achieve the impossible. Then throw in the weather..............and boy it will be a miracle.

For sometime I was amongst those who asked for fewer, BUT two day events to be considered in 8th rallycross, BUT the AGM spoke against it. (democracy) call it luck call it experience (yes I am old) call it what you will, but I could see the growth in rallycross dragging the current best drivers from 10th to 8th and the explosion of clubs wanting slots to all impinge on one another.

Economics are going to affect things but strangely in a recession hobbies thrive. Apparently its because people have more spare time. (less money though, and many will need local racing to be affordable and accessible) but despite what I thought better minds than mine have researched this.

Anyway (again I digress) but I feel the need to support Richard Stitson in his many years of putting together the 8th rallycross calendar and certainly in my conversations with Paul Worsley they are both well aware that clashes are not in the interests of either section. Bear in mind that for almost 18 months I have been banned by the BRCA I have no reason to stand up for them except for the fact I respect that 10th and 8th committees work hard to avoid what clashes they can and I will always stand up for the truth.

I have not even bothered looking at dates so I dont know what could be done BUT I will finish by saying that Jon and others foresaw these clashes and tried to tell you all that fewer 2 day meetings would free up more weekends..................but with worlds, euros, warmups and the many Fixed date events like Neo, Proline challenge, HongNor cup etc etc the job of getting a balanced calendar in one section let alone two is so hard I would not like to try doing it!

[Trish]

I agree with Jon,

One thing no one has mentioned yet is the fact is apart from Talywain it seems to be a northern biased venue series??

one shocker is the fact that EPR didn't get a national, I know that its south of the M25 but it has been undoubtedly the best venue this year! There will be alot of people agreeing with me on this.

With EPR being the only now ex national track in the south why have the southerners got to travel so far north for every single track?
Don't get me wrong I don't mind traveling to the great venues but it seems like the people who organised it didnt think about the racers from the south.

I know lets have all the tracks to cater for the southerners?

Silverstone,
Swindon,
Taplow,
EPR,
Stotfold,
Faversham,


I think the people of the north would be slightly anoyed??

There are alot of people who will be upset by the way things have come about.

I'm looking forward to hearing peoples comments

[mikeyscott]

I did also notice about the location of the nationals and was also surpised to see EPR off the list.

That's an awful lot of travelling up north

[jondell]

Lots of great comments...

What I am trying to do is make awareness of the situ to all and hopefully get some good comments or support on here or to the committee. If you have an opinion, be vocal, then i can point the chairmen in this discussions direction, so that they can see what the people/racers want.

Mark C's comments are spot on. I know the co ordinating the off road sections is probably harder than the on road one (as mark pointed out there are less tracks and in most cases they are shared), but if this fails then i will try to get involved next year and get it right, as personally i want race in the 1/10th and be involved the 1/8th.

With the dates having just been released, probably earlier than ever before and with it not even being 2011, surely something can be done.

To John C, reason why the may day bank holiday is currently not being used, is that it is 1 week after Neo, which i know the 8th section help run. I ask the 8th section to move this date instead of the 10th section moving 2 dates and 8th none... Granted 2no 8th dates are clashed with 10th internationals, but the Euros one is a travel day and Neil Cragg has twice demonstrated that doing both is possible (although not without difficulties). If there are other solutions, then lets look at that... one date each moved and its sorted.

I will state it again, if each section can move 1 date then 10th racers have the chance to do all 10th races and the minimum 8th races. And then 8th racers have the chance to do all 8th races and the minimum 10th races.

[David Church]

Originally Posted by Trish

I agree with Jon,

One thing no one has mentioned yet is the fact is apart from Talywain it seems to be a northern biased venue series??

one shocker is the fact that EPR didn't get a national, I know that its south of the M25 but it has been undoubtedly the best venue this year! There will be alot of people agreeing with me on this.

With no national at EPR it will be extremely damaging to the club which relies on the national interest to pay its rent I know its not the BRCAs job to keep tracks running but being the only track in the south why have the southerners got to travel so far north for every single track?
Don't get me wrong I don't mind traveling to the great venues but it seems like the people who organised it didnt think about the racers from the south.

I know lets have all the tracks to cater for the southerners?

Silverstone,
Swindon,
Taplow,
EPR,
Stotfold,
Faversham,


I think the people of the north would be slightly anoyed??

There are alot of people who will be upset by the way things have come about.

I'm looking forward to hearing peoples comments

Spot on Trish.

The reason EPR didn't get a National is because the rep's didn't want to drive down M2five, five button broke haha
It has nothing to do with racing or whats best for the sport as a whole, it is to do with what is most convienent for their real car driving needs.
Like Jon Dell has said what a shame we can't all work together, oh well, what do I know, I am just a troublemaker eh??? Enough people officially complained about me this year, hence I am no longer the PRO.

[RudeTony]

Originally Posted by David Church

Spot on Trish.

The reason EPR didn't get a National is because the rep's didn't want to drive down M2five, five button broke haha
It has nothing to do with racing or whats best for the sport as a whole, it is to do with what is most convienent for their real car driving needs.
Like Jon Dell has said what a shame we can't all work together, oh well, what do I know, I am just a troublemaker eh??? Enough people officially complained about me this year, hence I am no longer the PRO.

Shocking - simply shocking - lets all sit on the M6 instead eh! What the hell has the M25 (5 works LOL) got to do with it all.

[AmiSMB]

I feel it is most important for the 1/8th and 1/10th Off road sections to manage any date clashes as their are many great racers that do both disciplines and it would be very sad for UK racing that we cannot sort this calendar issue out.