Bring back true stock racing

[overson]

I started driving with 27T brushed motors and so did my son.
we both found it a good class to start in, not to fast.
thing got faster when brushless speedo's and motor came out but we had the experiance to handle the it. but beginers found it harder.
Since timing advance speedo's have been used i think the fun for new drivers has been lost.
I see new drivers with very fast cars crashing because the carnt handle the power and after that they give up because it cost to much for parts.
The thing is they want to keep up with the other cars so have to have the timing advance.
I think we should have a true stock class for non timing advance speedo's like the lrp zero speedo
http://www.lrp.cc/en/products/electr...egler/details/
I think this will level the playing field for beginers and make it more fun for them.
It might even bring more drivers in to the sport as the number's at meeting have been getting smaller.
What do you as drivers think.

Neil.

[Matt Airbrushing]

the problem with fixing the sypes of speed controls used is that many racers wont want to replace a perfectly good speed control with a new one.

I think that 13.5 is too quick when advanced.

At Bedworth they race using 17.5 motors which are much slower and even with a trick speed control (which very few people are using anyway) the car is still "slow"

[Craig W]

Or take up the roar rule for stock of no timing on speedo n the speedo flashes telling you that it in zero timing

[SlowOne]

The problem with these 'no-timing' speedos is that it transfers the costs to motors and cells, and brings back the problem of too much motor timing giving you a bag full of motor bits. If you want to find a class easy for people to set up, race and have fun with, then follow Bedworth's example and go to 17.5.

The speedos with timing features make the motors perform more efficiently, and it is noticeable that since they came in there have been less blow-ups (dodgy speedo software excluded!) than we had with the early non-timing speedos. It is a better way to derive speed than using motor timing only, which is what people seem to think they want.

No-timing speedos will increase costs, and exclude many from a fast car because they cannot learn the black arts of motor tuning. Keep it as it is. I was right about everyone needing a computer on the pit table when the world clamored for BL, and I;ll be right about this, too. Within short, you'll be back here complaining about costs and motor breakage. 17.5 is the answer you need, not another (expensive) speedo. Just a thought...

[Nige]

I think it would be a good idea to set up a cheap standard class for new entrants and those current racers on a limited budget. So long as you set out which esc's, batteries, etc can be used within the rules and ensure people only use 'club' motors which can be distributed before each race day (to prevent anyone tinkering with it ). The emphasis will be on the fun of racing, rather than cheque book racing.

Surely if you want more people at the track each week you need to make it affordable.

[overson]

Just what i was tring to say Nige.
we need a affordable stock class to get more drivers to the clubs, 13.5 is just to fast with these new speedo's for new drivers. I liked driving TC cars but got put off by being over taken by faster cars and when i got a new speedo ( LRP stock spec) so i could keep up a new speedo (GM 2010) came out that was faster, Then Tekin made there's faster. when does it stop.
If there was a limit so i could keep my esc,motor and lipo for a year or so and know it was my driving or set up that lost me the race not the fact that i did not have the latest parts it would put the fun back in to racing for me and im sure other drivers must feel the same.

[doramider7]

Originally Posted by Nige

I think it would be a good idea to set up a cheap standard class for new entrants and those current racers on a limited budget. So long as you set out which esc's, batteries, etc can be used within the rules and ensure people only use 'club' motors which can be distributed before each race day (to prevent anyone tinkering with it ). The emphasis will be on the fun of racing, rather than cheque book racing.

Surely if you want more people at the track each week you need to make it affordable.

Just what i was tring to say Nige.
we need a affordable stock class to get more drivers to the clubs, 13.5 is just to fast with these new speedo's for new drivers. I liked driving TC cars but got put off by being over taken by faster cars and when i got a new speedo ( LRP stock spec) so i could keep up a new speedo (GM 2010) came out that was faster, Then Tekin made there's faster. when does it stop.
If there was a limit so i could keep my esc,motor and lipo for a year or so and know it was my driving or set up that lost me the race not the fact that i did not have the latest parts it would put the fun back in to racing for me and im sure other drivers must feel the same.

[Conrad]

Originally Posted by SlowOne

The problem with these 'no-timing' speedos is that it transfers the costs to motors and cells, and brings back the problem of too much motor timing giving you a bag full of motor bits. If you want to find a class easy for people to set up, race and have fun with, then follow Bedworth's example and go to 17.5.

The Speed Passion (Shawn Palmer on rctech) guys did test out different specs of lipo batteries with the new stock spec speedo's and said it made zero difference to the performance of the car. They also said the sweet spot was 8 teeth wide because of the 0' timing. The only way to stop the motor torture is to have an approved list of fixed timing motors to go with the 0' timing speedo's.

Personally I think brushless is fast enough without the timing advance/turbo features and I don't see why we need to carry a laptop with us to go toy car racing always in search of that perfect speedo setup to give us a slight advantage. Throw cells at it, race it, clean it, repeat process <--

[SlowOne]

That's almost word-for-word what we were told when they put a stop to the silly timing advance on stock BR motors ten or more years ago - and they were sooooo wrong! They staked the timing at 24 degrees and said that all motors would be equal and cells wouldn't matter. The rest, and they say, is history... which is about to repeat itself, it seems...