trf511 vs dex410

[pete68]

trf511 vs dex410 anyone have tried both and your oppinion
would be really appreciated
the price and parts support doesn't make a
difference since i will have parts in stock!!
thanks
pete68

[jhammond]

Ah...

Well, I own a 501x and am very happy with it. (A 511 would just be less hassle with maintenance.) Though, honestly, the DEX410 does look like the future. So much less maintenance required and it's a completely different sort of platform. Built from the ground up for modern racing. Having said that, the Tamiya is still very good. (After all, just look at the 2009 EFRA results, they also run pretty well out of the box.)

In my opinion, they're so vastly different that they're barely worth comparing. (Like iPhone and Blackberry: they both do different things so well, it's more of an instinct and personal taste sort of thing.)

Unfortunately, I haven't tried a DEX410, so obviously biassed towards the Tamiya. Though I can see why so many people are opting for the DEX410!

[Alex H]

I owned a TRF511 and it was the best 4wd I have ever had the pleasure to drive. Then came the DEX410 and I just had to have one.
Can honestly say that it doesent matter what car you buy. Two of the best cars in the market. Everything else feels like toys.
The TAmiya has got some amazing corner speed on graveltracks and the dex seems to do the job just as good. Havent had the chance to try it out really yet on gravel. Love my dex and loved the trf511 too. A must is the diffcover of Fredrik Emilsson.
What ever you want it is two top of the line machines.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

I have to say I really like my 501x worlds car, but I do tend to drive my B44 sometimes as well depends who shows up with what. The Dex410 looks really awesome looking, but I do tend to prefer parts support over anything else. And it's easy to get parts for my 4wd buggies. The Dex410 wouldnt be so hot for me because I live in the United States. People at my tracks either run the B44 or the Kyosho Lazer ZX5 FS. I'm the only one with a 501x now, so I
guess that makes me feel kinda special to have a car nobody else runs.

[BushyAR15]

I too would really like to know the answer to this question as well...

I've had the CAT SX, B44, TRF501, and now the TRF511. I'm curious about the DEX...There is a big price difference here in the USA between the DEX and every other 4WD.

For the US style tracks I've run, I've found the B44's front end to be too fragile, the CAT SX too twitchy. Took way too much work to get it to handle well and stripped spur gears.

The TRF501 handles great and in the two years I've raced it, only broke a couple parts that were my fault.

The TRF511 handles great but the standard arms are weak and break constantly...

I want to know if the DEX is the shiznits....

TIA

[AaronR]

Simple fix for that Bushy... use your 501X arms on your 511. I did that when I built my 511 and not one broken arm yet.

[TonyV2382]

Originally Posted by B44&501xRacerEX

I have to say I really like my 501x worlds car, but I do tend to drive my B44 sometimes as well depends who shows up with what. The Dex410 looks really awesome looking, but I do tend to prefer parts support over anything else. And it's easy to get parts for my 4wd buggies. The Dex410 wouldnt be so hot for me because I live in the United States. People at my tracks either run the B44 or the Kyosho Lazer ZX5 FS. I'm the only one with a 501x now, so I
guess that makes me feel kinda special to have a car nobody else runs.

STFU....MOVING ON...

Now to really answer your question...I owned both cars. I cant tell you this. Maintenance on the dex410 will save you time. You can change diff oils replace the diff and adjust the slipper in under 15 mins if you were determined to do so lol. With the tamiya cars it used to take me a real long time to get to the spur or the diffs. Also the ball diffs were a huge hassle. Are they too tight, are they too loose. It gets old. BUT...they both handle very well. I can honestly say, that the dex does everything well. On outdoors and indoors. so thats versatility. On outdoor tracks with the 501 I had to replace belts and rebuild diffs after every run. In the durability dept. the R version of the DEX has a weak point with the front plastic brace. Get the ally one and ur good. Arms never brake, hinge pins never bend, shocktowers never an issue. Only thing to worry about is the drive shaft pins. Read on durangos tips to build those right. 501/511...Arms do break and with that pins will always bend. rear wing mount is a joke and always gets loose. shock towers are surprisingly strong, never broke one. body looks amazing. it looks stunning in all aspects but is a bit fiddly when it comes to maintenance issues and arm/ hinge pin breakage. I remember I had to stock up on pins and arms all the time. as well as front shock shafts. Rear wheel wobble is also an annoying thing and the 12mm hex conversion made it handle worse in every way.

when properly set up and if driver skill is not an issue, then both are remarkable on the track. I really enjoyed my 501, even though you are discussing the 511, its not far off. The reason in the end that I sold my 501 was the maintenance issue. Too much going on. No matter how well you wire you motor leads or servo wires one day something will come loose and catastrophe will strike. I once had my servo mounts come undone and since they run parallel to the front belt, the belt got caught on it and snap! lost the race...DNF.

Not saying the shafts in the dex dont get in the way, but they will not cause such a huge problem. and as I said...removing the spur is literally seconds...removing the diffs...4 screws. You just cant get that with ANY other buggy.

Yes I know this is a late reply but I felt the need to add to it for any future inquiries.

[Jan Larsen]

The belts last a very long time (half a year if you race every weekend) if you adjust it properly. Mine is 1,5 years old and only on its 2nd rear belt. Front is the same.

Also, how the hell did you manage to have a servo mount come undone?!? The things are made in plastic and impossible to come undone once screwed in.

To me it sounds like operator error big time.

[mof]

Originally Posted by TonyV2382

STFU....MOVING ON...
On outdoor tracks with the 501 I had to replace belts and rebuild diffs after every run.

I run outdoors all the time, I haven't got any issues with the belts or constantly needing to rebuild the diffs on my 501. I am using the newer, more durable, drive belts that come with DB01R and 511.

501/511...Arms do break and with that pins will always bend. rear wing mount is a joke and always gets loose. shock towers are surprisingly strong, never broke one. body looks amazing.

I agree that the 511 arms brake easily, but to brake a 501 arm you really have to try, like drive full throttle at a concrete wall...

Pins might bend and arms might brake if you hit that concrete wall, though

As for 511, the arms brake more easily and thus the pins don't bend as easily as in 501.

Too much going on. No matter how well you wire you motor leads or servo wires one day something will come loose and catastrophe will strike. I once had my servo mounts come undone and since they run parallel to the front belt, the belt got caught on it and snap! lost the race...DNF.

Not saying the shafts in the dex dont get in the way, but they will not cause such a huge problem. and as I said...removing the spur is literally seconds...removing the diffs...4 screws. You just cant get that with ANY other buggy.

Ever heard or seen or read what might happen to a DEX when a pin comes loose from the drive shaft...? Yes, it is what you could describe as a huge problem (flame out ). And yes, it does happen. For the newer models this problem should be sorted, though.

[cmgreen]

Originally Posted by pete68

trf511 vs dex410 anyone have tried both and your oppinion
would be really appreciated
the price and parts support doesn't make a
difference since i will have parts in stock!!
thanks
pete68

Simples, The 511 is now discontinued and the DEX 410 aint

[mof]

Originally Posted by cmgreen

Simples, The 511 is now discontinued and the DEX 410 aint

And this is a fact? Url or it didn't happen

[helmet993]

Originally Posted by mof

And this is a fact? Url or it didn't happen

No ETA from Tamiya USA on stock...and Tower shows it as discontinued:

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXWXX8&P=7

RC Mart also replied to my recent inquiry that it was discontinued...

[mof]

As far as braking the arms on a 501 goes, here is a quote from the DEX410R review here at oOple.

"The suspension arms are (identical to the DEX410) moulded with plenty of glass or and are proven to be really tough - possibly too tough depending on your point of view since something else might well break instead of these arms. I bought some spare sets for the original car and never used them - it seems the Tamiya TRF501X finally has a match in the toughness stakes."

As I understand that quote, the 501 arms are (according to the writer) one of the toughest available, and before the DEX came possibly the toughest available.

[mattybucks]

Round 1 Euro's Qualifying:

Fastest: Lee Martin (Tamiya) 12/315.97

Case settled.

[t8rtot]

Originally Posted by helmet993

No ETA from Tamiya USA on stock...and Tower shows it as discontinued:

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXWXX8&P=7

RC Mart also replied to my recent inquiry that it was discontinued...

I got an email from Speedtech saying they're expecting new kits in 2months. Tamiya seems to just make batches at will and only if they are selling.. since they just won the euros i'd expect a larger stock this time. When tamiya runs out of stock they have a habit of reporting them as 'discontinued' but w/in a few months somebody will have a few new ones..

[TonyV2382]

Just read on some thread here that Tammy is planning a shaft driven 4wd car...I wonder why lol. And yes the 511 line is done and discontinued.

The 501x arms are no where near as tough as the DEX arms. Feel both in your hands or try screwing a shock end screw and u will see. You can strip the Tam plastic at will...not with the DEX.

Secondly Like I said, the car was built perfectly and ran great INDOORS ONLY. Guys Im not bashing the car...its amazing I know it cuz Ive owned it...but in terms of maintenance, durability and dare I say performance?? The dex is the cream of the crop. Theres no doubting it...drive one then you will see. It is the future of RC. Theres no magic diff setting, no pulleys to worry about if a tooth is chipped, no belt tension settings to experiment with, no "trick" to remove the spur...which DOES destroy the center pulleys as well as the belts and other parts which include ur spur from twisting it and it rubbing on the pinion. You have to remove all your gear from one side to get to the lower motor mount screw just to adjust gear mesh. Cmon man...to deny this fact is just plain ignorant.