A rant

[super__dan]

Something that's been bugging me a while and everyone I talked to on the weekend about this, Jimmy please don't take any offence to this!

There are some people on here who worry me and I worry about the advice they give. Essentially they come across like they are experts and know what they are talking about but in reality have little or no idea (I believe), no real racing experience, no results, they can however write a post that to a similair novice might think is really excellent advice. It dilutes what is a fantastic website for what we all love and one that has huge credability.

I've edited this rant down from it's full effect but really, if you don't actually know what your talking about please don't sound like you do. Every man and his dog seems to think they know about other drivers sponsorships, but proclaiming what it is or how that driver should behave is such crap.

I realise this has gone a bit random, I'll stop now!

[matdodd]

You Random mate never

I do agree with you on some of that though!

[jimmy]

I agree dan, but also thats the price of this forum getting more popular and I can't really stop madness like that. What we can do is explain and educate (!) seriously, thats the only way - and if they don't listen, then beat them with sticks!

I have seen posts on other forums which were just plain stupid - like one on another popular UK forum (not a race specific one) talking about the benefits of upside down shocks. Utterly ignoring and common sense or laws of physics.

[Northy]

Originally Posted by jimmy

I have seen posts on other forums which were just plain stupid - like one on another popular UK forum (not a race specific one) talking about the benefits of upside down shocks. Utterly ignoring and common sense or laws of physics.

Like on the Pred Jimmy?

Actually we do run our shocks upside down, the real ones on my kit car are the other way up, thats how I was told to fit them.

G

[PaulRotheram]

Agreed on what has been said.. new drivers need 100% reassurance on what the guidance they receive is true and solid. I'll admit, i don't know an awful lot compared to what some on here do know.. but anything i'm sure on i'll have a say about.

But as Jimmy said.. nothing can really be done, unless they can be educated to the correct way. No one on oople can really edit posts if they are wrong, its a persons opinion and they are obliged to it.. but if they can be taught, and corrected then this is the best way.. as more people can learn from the experience !

[mattym0310]

so what your saying is.. people with no racing history have no knowledge? well. think about it. some people yes do say stupid things and dont have a clue, but others dont necessarily have good racing history but could know their stuff. and maybe know the concept of it, just not the racing. for example, say an F1 drivers pit man/crew wotever is c**p at racing, it doesnt mean he doesnt know what hes talking about.

i do generally stick to asking rather than answering but if there is a question that i can answer i answer it. i dont see how, just cos you can drive a car well it means you can answer questions and others carnt? [apart from those idiots that have no clue wot so ever!]

[xx4-nutter]

Originally Posted by mattym0310

for example, say an F1 drivers pit man/crew wotever is c**p at racing, it doesnt mean he doesnt know what hes talking about....]

i agree here im not having a go at Mike Riley i think the guy is spot on and really knows his stuff but not being harsh or anything i think he isnt the best of drivers under a saturn 20 turn, but hell he knows how to set a car up

Garry D.

[Mrs oOple]

Originally Posted by mattym0310

so what you're saying is.. people with no racing history have no knowledge?

I don't think Dan quite meant it like that? Some people could have 10 years of racing history and still not understand how their car works, especially if someone else sets it up for them all the time. I think Dan was referring more generally to some of the advice offered by people who maybe don't fully understand what they are talking about.
Perhaps a lot of the information presented on here is opinion based, everyone does things a little differently, that doesn't necesserily mean there is a right or wrong way of doing things.
I for example would say it's perfectly alright to charge my one pack of cells immediately after finishing my race, therefore I know it's ready for the next run, many racers would probably be shocked at this suggestion (for whatever reason).
Obviously if someone came and gave advice saying totally and utterly the wrong thing, something potentially dangerous or costly, then there are plenty of experienced and knowledgeable people on here who can set them right.
But indeed the best thing to do is to support and advise those people who don't quite fully understand what they are talking about (like me! I'm going to shut up now and stop pretending to know what I'm on about).

[jimmy]

Originally Posted by Northy

Like on the Pred Jimmy?

Actually we do run our shocks upside down, the real ones on my kit car are the other way up, thats how I was told to fit them.

G

haha,
sorry I should have said - they justified their enthusiastic stupidness by saying that performance motorbikes use upside down shocks because they work better........ Utterly missing the fact that they are upside down from what they used to be, and are now the correct way up with the piston moving, not the body.
And preds are just like any other buggy, not upside down at all.

[Northy]

Originally Posted by jimmy

haha,
sorry I should have said - they justified their enthusiastic stupidness by saying that performance motorbikes use upside down shocks because they work better........ Utterly missing the fact that they are upside down from what they used to be, and are now the correct way up with the piston moving, not the body.
And preds are just like any other buggy, not upside down at all.

I don't understand Jimmy. On my kit car the body is conncted to the wishbone, and the piston shaft the chassis, so that would be upside down compared to our toys?

G

[David Church]

You tell em Dan!!!!

Alot of fun can be had reading what people think, they dont have to reply just to boost there post total.
Look at me, I dont give any advice??? Wonder why?? haha

[tc2k]

I dont give advice, if you see my drive, you know why. I am more interested in asking questions than answering but in some cases everyone can offer advice no matter how experienced they are.

[xx4-nutter]

Originally Posted by tc2k

everyone can offer advice no matter how experienced they are.

i totally agree with you mate . me myslef aint the best at running the right sort of set-up if that counts towards my lack of "knowlage" ill run alsorts of random set ups. oddly enough somthings work for me..

it may also work for other people, but yet anouther thing some of the people who have been racing for years may think, WHAT THE HELL ? ..

also regarding "noobs to the sport" are we only the question askers ? not the answerers. im not having a dig at you dan i still think some people may sit and think right this and this will work thinking in a proper and well thought out way who are new to the sport.. ive been racing myself 3-4 years i think now and im only just starting to get into it properly regarding racing regionals and such and racing at a higher level. Durham outdoor regional just gone was my first out door regional. the first time i ever raced outdoor was at castle howard i dunno if you remeber dan ? i came and spoke to you.

again dan im not having a go dude

Garry D.

[Northy]

Guess your talking about me eh?

I am the meat.

G

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Northy

I am the meat.

G

I'm sorry G, you are wholly incorrect.

I am the meat.