Perfect brushed clubman motor for F1s

[cunawarit]

I've seen Charlie go through a couple of silvercans in one meeting, as well as use anything and everything metal in his toolbox to improvize heat-sinks and cool the motors down.

In my TL01 I've tried a silvercan as well as 21T fan can motor and the performance difference wasn't huge. Both were quick with the right gearing and both were gutless off corners in the heavy tourer. The difference is that the silvercan ran at chassis melting temperatures and the fan can motor didn't.

TIC Racing seems to suggest that the HPI 20T performs the same as a Mardve G2, yet it lasts much longer and doesn't overheat: http://www.mardavespares.com/electri...0t-stock-motor

I'm just thinking it might be cheaper for everyone involved if they didn't keep on burning out silvercans

Thoughts? Anyone worries they might be too quick in F1s?

[leedolby77]

I run that in my f104. It is very quick, however not much different to running a G2 so I agree that comparison wise they are ok.

I do think however that the F1's are going to be so much faster anyway even with a crap £5 540 tamiya silvercan. To put it into context with the F104 I set TQ with 20 laps in 306. In the final I ran litterally on the trim ( so maybe 1/8th trottle and still managed to win on I think it was 16 laps )

Would it be right to ask if F1's are not really suited to the clubman class?......

[reg]

I'm sure as no one is bothered about winning,it's all for fun,no one minds,
However what about having to run F1 on rubber,that way it won't be so much about motor but driving skill

[siddus74]

Putting F1's on rubber is expensive I know I bought some and tried them, on carpet at Broxtowe and they don't work at all and that's high grip compared to WB... I feel it would kill the running of them at the club.

All this talk about having only a silvercan in the F1's makes me chuckle, my F104 pro had a 21.5 brushless which is BRCA ruling was slower than my Tyrell on stock gearing on a silver can ... but rules are rules ...

Scott.

[siddus74]

Silvercans in F1's with stock gearing work fine, I know from experience .. the issues arise with melting motors and overheating stock esc's when you move away from kit gearing too 64dp / 48dp and gear them to high, hence the current draw increases ...

If an F1 is melting motors chances are it is over geared and the driver is cheating

If they are left stock and geared out the box the speed is comparable to 13.5 tourers and the mardave running in the class.

Scott.

[siddus74]

Ive only run a 27's and 25's in my F1 my Pro kept cutting out due to amp draw due gearing ...

Scott.

[cunawarit]

Originally Posted by siddus74

If they are left stock and geared out the box the speed is comparable to 13.5 tourers and the mardave running in the class.

The Mardave is plenty quick! Quicker than most things and not far off the F1s... still, Martin's 9T 4300kv TA01 killed me on the start line.

[leedolby77]

I suppose if we used rubber tyres I could at least use my new warmers.....

[cunawarit]

Originally Posted by siddus74

All this talk about having only a silvercan in the F1's makes me chuckle, my F104 pro had a 21.5 brushless which is BRCA ruling was slower than my Tyrell on stock gearing on a silver can ... but rules are rules ...

Scott.

Unless you are really taking the Michael I can't envisage anyone complaining.

[cunawarit]

The less rules the better I feel, there have been a few cars in Clubman which have had a little too much straight line speed. But it has't degenerated so far

[cunawarit]

Originally Posted by leedolby77

I run that in my f104. It is very quick, however not much different to running a G2 so I agree that comparison wise they are ok.

I do think however that the F1's are going to be so much faster anyway even with a crap £5 540 tamiya silvercan. To put it into context with the F104 I set TQ with 20 laps in 306. In the final I ran litterally on the trim ( so maybe 1/8th trottle and still managed to win on I think it was 16 laps )

Would it be right to ask if F1's are not really suited to the clubman class?......

When clubman was initially discussed the idea was plastic fantastic cheap Tamiyas. But personally I don't object to the F1s, they look cool going round the track and everyone can get one if they want Most people in Clubman go for fun, so there's still plenty of tourers out there and it hasn't become an F1 only class.

So you ran the 20T fan can last time? I now have two silvercans, a G2 and a 21T fan can all soldered and ready to go. Will compare and see how it goes

Originally Posted by reg

I'm sure as no one is bothered about winning,it's all for fun,no one minds,
However what about having to run F1 on rubber,that way it won't be so much about motor but driving skill

The only issue with that is that if it makes them perform awful then they'll be less fun and they'll go away... And there are no rubber tyres for my Mardave