B44.2 handling nightmare, looking for suggestions

[Allan1875]

Hi guys, i currently race DEX410v3 but my Dad decided to take up buggies and got himself a B44.2 as he likes Associated stuff.

He set it up as kit, except i swapped the rear oil to 27.5wt AE.

Before i go any further this is all racing on grass, schumy yellow, 1 outside row and 1 inside row of spikes off the front tyres.

The car had too much front grip, really bitey on the front end made the car roll a lot but drivable.

We were back for another regional a fortnight later at the same track so i made some further changes changing the rear springs from white to black, and the front springs from blue to orange to try and increase rear traction, while limiting front but to be honest, this really didn't help at all, infact if anything the car was worse, although the grass had grown thick in places which made have increased the front traction a fair bit.

I change numerous things throughout the day trying to compensate by lengthening camber links, moving shock angles to try stiffen it up but we kept coming back with pretty much the same end result. The only progress we did make was we managed to decrease the front end grip, however the rear end was quite snakey, which was a surprise to me as we were on the softest springs and a fairly soft oil.

I had a look at Gareth Hill's setups on petit rc and the car was setup very similar to this at the beginning of the meeting with absolutely no joy. I only had a quick couple of shots of the car but it did not feel good at all.

I found it extremely frustrating as my Durango was absolutely dialled. The only thing my Dads car done better was jump, man did that AE jump and land well!

Basically looking for some AE tips here, below is some of the setup off the top off my head.

Shocks:
rear - black, 27.5wt, 2x1.7 - Mounted middle on tower, inside on WB.
front - orange, 35wt, 2x1.7 (changed to 2x1.6 later on). Mounted Middle on tower, outside on WB.

Camber:
-1 rear, -1 front (tried increasing this to -1.5, helped a bit)

Diffs:
Both were fairly tight, perhaps loosening the rear may have helped calm it down?

Anti roll bars:
None connected.

Camber links:

Rear was in the middle on car, 2nd hole on hub (kit)
front was on outside on car, and outside on hub.

Tried lengthening both these as i believe it calms and stabilizes a car but had no joy at all.

Any help would be very much appreciated as my Dad's new to buggies and is finding the jumps etc hard enough without having a difficult handling car to contend with. If you need any other info on the setup, just ask.

[discostu]

It's either a mid print or your front shocks are way off

Try 40wt up front purple or red spring
And 32.5wt in rear grey or white (around the 2 pound mark)

Long flat links rear roll bar

Stu

[MiCk B.]

Yep,

Same as above, heavier oil in the front 40 / 45.

Try the front shocks on the outside on the arm.

Rear, 25 - 30 oil on inside hole in arm, with rear roll bar.

Diff, have the front slightly tighter than the rear.

MiCk B. :-)

[Allan1875]

Cheers lads.

Also been given some advice which I thought was good and hadn't given a thought too.

Running a couple of limiters in the front shocks and possibility of 1 in the rear.

[discostu]

The limiters will depend on how rough the track is if I were you get the car balanced first keeping the limiters in your mind

Saying that you will need limiters in the rear sheiks as per manual or the drive shaft will fall out under full droop

Keep paying and learning it does make sence in the end

Stu Rand

[Freakypen]

I run 2wd front minispikes tyres this makes a big difference on high traction tracks.