Changing Cars X2C vs TC02c

[mr emily]

Ive parted company with my X2C and replaced it with a TC02C. The ansmann was about 12months old and getting tired. It was a great car handled well, balanced. Its gone!

Bought a TC02C, set it up the same, alloy bits on, It was awful!! changed lots over the last few meetings and it is getting better but still it is nothing like as good as the X2C was. Only difference now is the bladders are cut.

Can't believe this car which is the same!! is so different. Anybody else found
this?

Keith

[adon30]

Did the x2c have the alloy bits on aswell?
Some say there are slight differences in the plastics but couldn't see it making that much difference.
The uprated gears are the main differences so shouldn't affect handling.

[john333]

Can't imagine anyone thinking a tc02c was awful?? Everyone I know who has tried it loves it.

[Chalkie]

As it's pretty much the same car it shouldn't feel any different
One thing well worth checking though is the shock pistons as i have had a pair that are different diameters, only 0.1mm or so difference but enough to make a pair of shocks feel 5 - 10wt away from each other.
Oh and i run with cut bladders and really like the shocks like that so i wouldn't worry about that.

[welshmerlin]

Originally Posted by Chalkie

As it's pretty much the same car it shouldn't feel any different
One thing well worth checking though is the shock pistons as i have had a pair that are different diameters, only 0.1mm or so difference but enough to make a pair of shocks feel 5 - 10wt away from each other.
Oh and i run with cut bladders and really like the shocks like that so i wouldn't worry about that.

Hi

What's the advantage of cut bladders?

Thanks

[Chalkie]

Originally Posted by welshmerlin

Hi

What's the advantage of cut bladders?

Thanks

You run with the air and oil mixed, sometimes called an emulsion shock.
It's a subbtle difference but I don't like the rebound effect you tend to get with bladder shocks (where the shaft comes back out on it's own I feel that's the springs job), and find emulsion shocks much easier to build consistently.

[adey]

Mine is awesome. I haven't met anyone who don't like how the tc02c drives

[mr emily]

Yes the X2C had the alloy bits on too. Honest! the two cars are like chalk and cheese!! The other car did everything I wanted, probably the best 2wd i've owned.

Still work in progress I think! Just suprised that at the moment it is so different! It jumps well, good on carpet, understeers! but on the slippy floor parts of tracks can't get any rear grip at all, balance is all wrong!!!

The pistons are the standard ones drilled to 1.4mm.

Hmmm!!

[Chalkie]

Originally Posted by mr emily

Yes the X2C had the alloy bits on too. Honest! the two cars are like chalk and cheese!! The other car did everything I wanted, probably the best 2wd i've owned.

Still work in progress I think! Just suprised that at the moment it is so different! It jumps well, good on carpet, understeers! but on the slippy floor parts of tracks can't get any rear grip at all, balance is all wrong!!!

The pistons are the standard ones drilled to 1.4mm.

Hmmm!!

Do you run Sch yellow Minipins? I've had a set that never gave any grip on slippy before, if they've sat around and the rubbers gone hard they just don't work on slippy but will be fine on carpet, it might be worth trying another set just in case.

Like I said check the shock pistons, not the holes but the actual pistons were a different size i had to build them three times before i spotted it, i've also had a set of O rings that swelled up and gave lots of sticktion.

[adon30]

Originally Posted by mr emily

Yes the X2C had the alloy bits on too. Honest! the two cars are like chalk and cheese!! The other car did everything I wanted, probably the best 2wd i've owned.

Still work in progress I think! Just suprised that at the moment it is so different! It jumps well, good on carpet, understeers! but on the slippy floor parts of tracks can't get any rear grip at all, balance is all wrong!!!

So wouldn't be the alloy bits as I first thought.
Sounds like your having similar problems to me with the rear end grip. Have you got the slipper and diff set up nicely. My diffs now fine (i hope) but still struggling to get the slipper working where I want it on the tc02c. My old xPro is perfect however.

Have you done anything different with forward weight? Can't think of much else.

[mr emily]

Anybody got a picture of tco2c rear suspension using plastic hub carriers, without wheel on??

Basically i'm after knowing which way round the hubs should be, one marked left , does it go on the left side!!, what effect would having plastic upstand, the bit the the ballstud screws into at the front or rear would have, The hub are 0 degrees?

keith

[Robbiejuk]

Originally Posted by mr emily

Anybody got a picture of tco2c rear suspension using plastic hub carriers, without wheel on??

Basically i'm after knowing which way round the hubs should be, one marked left , does it go on the left side!!, what effect would having plastic upstand, the bit the the ballstud screws into at the front or rear would have, The hub are 0 degrees?

keith

http://www.teamcracing.net/index.php...d=42&Itemid=86

Looking at the picture from the conversion kit manual if you look at the car from the front you should see the lettering on the hubs facing towards you. And L is on the left. R is on the right and the ball studs are facing backwards. They are quite a central hub it shouldn't make much difference if you get them on the wrong way round, but it might cock up driveshaft angle a bit which can sometimes loose the car grip.

Standard plastic hubs I am pretty sure are 0 degrees. I am pretty sure the only thing you would notice having the ballstud on the front instead of the back would give it quite an acute angle. But this shouldn't affect the handling of the car as long as the movement through the whole range is free and not binding.

[Smurfster]

I had problems with hubs cracking at the ball stud, and have now run them opposite for over a year with no ill affect to the rear end grip, and has stopped the hubs breaking, it does look a little iffy but has been fine, in fact robbiejuk drove it and thought it was ok. worst case is when a ball cup popped off, but that was easily rectified. Might hasten to add they are the plastic one not the alloy ones.