210 vs 410 Build Quality

[dpackster1980]

I've just finished building a 210 this week and recently sold a X6 to subsidize the purchase and to be honest.I wish I kept the X6!

I've built a 410 previously. During the 210 build I noticed the following issues that leave me disappointed.

1) Shock seal caps - On the 210 they are plastic, they leak and they strip. On the 410 they are alloy even on the R version and dont leak!
2) Upper shock mounts - On the 210 they are plastic which allows flex. On the 410 they are steel which doesn't.
3) Rear wishbone slop - On the 210 there is loads, I had to use an Associated hub spacer to get rid of it. On the 410 everything is as tight as a button.
4) Plastic hexes - The squash and pinch the bearings, so I bought alloy ones straight away.
5) Instruction Manual - On the 210 they insist in putting in the one with errors in it and haven't bothered to revise it. On the 410 its fine.

It seems since the takeover they are cutting costs at the expense of performance. I my eyes that is worrying especially for future releases. The 210 isn't a patch on the 410R which I have in terms of quality and build satisfaction!

Performance is good but due to the build its left a sour taste in my mouth. I wish I got a Cougar SV because to get it to a reasonable level I'd end up spending the same money and its all in one box.

[Robocop]

Like you i had a 210 got rid of my 22 which i was really happy with.And i thought also the 210 was poor quality chassis sides did not line up with chassis parts missing,diff problems, droop screws that was inacessable in mid motor

[Andrew Twigger]

Originally Posted by Robocop

... droop screws that was inacessable in mid motor

The droop screws have heads both top and bottom and so can be accessed from either side...invalid argument IMO.

[t8rtot]

Its a catch 22, do you want to pay 350 for a buggy or still have a great preforming car that needs a little extra shimming (AE and Losi) have figured this out

[jkclifford]

what a load of bollox.

My210 was out the first batch, and still all stock, original towers nothing has been changed except springs. Ally or plastic caps won't make a differnce, its the way the are built, and they don't strip themselves out.

the plasric hexes have a flange which touches the inner race, how tight are you doing the wheels up to warp it so much it touches the outer race?

Flex on the upper shock mount, if you can notice that then you must be the best driver on here.

[DCM]

Not being funny, but the 210 is one of the cheapest race spec kits out there, so you will have to excuse them for not including carbon and alloy everywhere. Considering you get 2 gearbox cases and everything to build it up in mid-rear, 3-4 gear configurations plus inserts for geometry!!

If you compare the cost to even a Cougar SV/SV2 it is silly cheap let alone a C4.1

[dpackster1980]

Originally Posted by jkclifford

what a load of bollox.

My210 was out the first batch, and still all stock, original towers nothing has been changed except springs. Ally or plastic caps won't make a differnce, its the way the are built, and they don't strip themselves out.

the plasric hexes have a flange which touches the inner race, how tight are you doing the wheels up to warp it so much it touches the outer race?

Flex on the upper shock mount, if you can notice that then you must be the best driver on here.

The flange eventually squashes over time causing the hex to rub on the hub!

As for the plastic shock stand off they are useless, eventually the long screw will bent over time just like all manufacturers that use this method. The Steel ones do not bend it wouldn't cost them much to shove these in the kit as well.

Plastic caps do leak more than the alloy ones, fact! You build the shocks and notice the caps are slightly wet you tighten them a like more and find that they strip. It would have added probably £4 to a kit to put the alloy ones in!

3/4mm worth of wishbone slop acceptable? Not in my eyes especially for the pedigree this buggy is claimed to be, it might be for others.

Did I say I was a good driver, no. I've been racing and building cars for 17 years plus currently F2 and race at the Nationals so over the years you know what's a good kit and what's a bad one!

I was questioning the quality between the 210 and 410 if you read my post. IMO they've dropped the ball on the 210 and clearly have tried to squeeze every penny out of it. I'd pay slightly more for the kit if it had the extras and would've enjoyed the build more.

Performance is fine but the puild is very poor at best.

[dpackster1980]

Originally Posted by jkclifford

what a load of bollox.

My210 was out the first batch, and still all stock, original towers nothing has been changed except springs. Ally or plastic caps won't make a differnce, its the way the are built, and they don't strip themselves out.

the plasric hexes have a flange which touches the inner race, how tight are you doing the wheels up to warp it so much it touches the outer race?

Flex on the upper shock mount, if you can notice that then you must be the best driver on here.

I'd rather have quality not quantity! The 3 things I mentioned would've cost Durango less then £10 to put in per kit and then it would've been excellent value for money. Instead the money just lines the new owners pockets which takes away form what Durango was originally.