DEX210 terrible in the Wet!!! Help please :)

[RichyUK]

Hi guys,

i've taken up racing again after about 18 years away from it! Started with my DEX410 and am getting on very well. I have also purchased a 210 to get into 2WD as well as 4WD. This is new to me as i never raced 2wd when i was younger.

So, i purchased a lovely 210 off of here, it had a few mods, such as the cream front end, i've also got around 25g weight under the servo (maybe this is an issue??). Its running MM4 config, pretty much all else as should be and set up using a set up sheet for Eden Park from the Durango site.

So, in the dry the car is fantastic, i feel very confortable pushing it, but as soon as the track gets a bit wet its a nightmare. This is mainly on Astroturf. The car will understear when trying to power a little and then just lose the back end in an instant.

My first time out it was wet all day, and i found i have the ESC set up wrong, far too punchy, and no expo on the throttle. Now ive sorted them, using expo has made it MUCH nicer to drive when wet, but i just cannot push at all. I can put in OK times, but i lose way too much time to people that i was matching in the dry.

What can i do to help in this situation please??

[SamRCRacing]

What tyres did you have on the rear?

[Chris-S]

Current setup ?

[Si Coe]

I think you'll find its not really as bad as it looks.
Most 2wds are hard work when its wet - the issue with the 210 is that in the dry it seems so balanced and effortless that the wet weather handling comes as a shock!

[RichyUK]

Originally Posted by SamRCRacing

What tyres did you have on the rear?

Schu yellows in dry, greens in wet, medium inserts.

Originally Posted by Chris-S

Current setup ?

will double check against the set up sheet i used

Originally Posted by Si Coe

I think you'll find its not really as bad as it looks.
Most 2wds are hard work when its wet - the issue with the 210 is that in the dry it seems so balanced and effortless that the wet weather handling comes as a shock!

yeah i did think that, and that im really not used to 2WD, but in the dry i was fine, was driving it nicely in the wet but clearly could not push as hard as what the leaders were once it rained.

[mattr]

Originally Posted by Si Coe

I think you'll find its not really as bad as it looks.
Most 2wds are hard work when its wet - the issue with the 210 is that in the dry it seems so balanced and effortless that the wet weather handling comes as a shock!

Tell me about it............ couldn't even get mine down the straight without crashing........

[SamRCRacing]

If you are using shu greens go to ballistic greens in the wet, if you are using them it will be your setup or the surface of the track if everyone has the same problem.

[Richard Lowe]

Originally Posted by RichyUK

...The car will understear when trying to power a little and then just lose the back end in an instant...

Welcome to the world of mid motor 2wd's...

The only mid motor 2wd I've driven in low traction that doesn't behave as you describe is the Centro, you just have to adapt your driving style for the most part. In general the mid motor cars understeer on power then the window of neutral balance you have between that and snap oversteer is very small, rule of thumb is to be squared up and accelerate in a straight line if at all possible.

The flip side is the mid cars usually have a higher minimum speed through the corner, so you don't need to get on the gas quite as early and drive the car with the throttle as you would with a rear motor.

[AmiSMB]

When wet I use BB Green or BB Pink if really wet and some Schumacher slim green on the front. I also want to try changing the toe in on the rear when it is wet as I think this will help alot.

[hotrodchris]

If it's really wet DBoots all the way in b compound!

[steveuk]

Mine was horrible in damp/wet, I fitted a gear diff from the start. Thought I would try ball diff which improved things no end. I also went down couple of spring rates on rear.

Aren't Schumacher greens quite hard? I think Schumacher tyres go from blue (hard), green, yellow. Ballistic greens are soft which is why they work in damp/wet.

[danharding]

Schumacher and Ballistic Greens are two different types of rubber all together Its not just the stiffness that's different as far as I'm aware.