B44 Polished Wood Setup

[westie]

Alright guys, anyone got a decent setup for polished wood?
Car seems to have no traction at all compared to the rango's and cats,car has understeer them mental oversteer. tried full spikes, mini pins.
Current set up is as follows
1Deg camber all round
Long wheelbase
30 wt oil silver spring front, out on bottom, in on top
25 wt oil green spring, in on bottom and top.
Silver rollbar on front

[gazhillAE]

Originally Posted by westie

Alright guys, anyone got a decent setup for polished wood?
Car seems to have no traction at all compared to the rango's and cats,car has understeer them mental oversteer. tried full spikes, mini pins.
Current set up is as follows
1Deg camber all round
Long wheelbase
30 wt oil silver spring front, out on bottom, in on top
25 wt oil green spring, in on bottom and top.
Silver rollbar on front

Your way off a decent setup here mate!

The undeersteer won't be helped by the front roll bar remove it!
Medium or short wheelbase not long
Front oil 40w ae and rear 30w ae same springs
Weight in rear end centre weight if it's a b44.1
Loosen slipper ever so slightly to get power down better or go up a couple of pinions
Black roll bar or possible silver on rear
6.5-7.5t motor
Mini pin yellows all round maybe with a couple of Rows cut off the inner and outer not to many though!
Then there's the diffs make sure there tight enough
This should help you

[discostu]

Originally Posted by gazhillAE

Your way off a decent setup here mate!

The undeersteer won't be helped by the front roll bar remove it!
Medium or short wheelbase not long
Front oil 40w ae and rear 30w ae same springs
Weight in rear end centre weight if it's a b44.1
Loosen slipper ever so slightly to get power down better or go up a couple of pinions
Black roll bar or possible silver on rear
6.5-7.5t motor
Mini pin yellows all round maybe with a couple of Rows cut off the inner and outer not to many though!
Then there's the diffs make sure there tight enough
This should help you

why!

[westie]

Hi mate, cheers for the reply will give it ago!

[wezzer]

go up on the oils first luke , try 5 wt all round higher !
gonna try more limiters in the front shocks to !
ran the final without roll bars at all and it was the best its been all night but still wasnt great
kit set up with 25 rear and 30 front was dialed last year , shame its not working this year

[westie]

Kool, will try it next time with harder oil

[afun1979]

I'd be running Yellow mini spikes not pins as mentioned - and i personally would never cut any spikes off unless you're running on multi surface, but that's just me.
Try using soft inserts as they seem to help me.

[Big G]

The tyres I ran last night were brand new for ludlow, but they were useless when I 1st tried them. so I did the Cov MAM event and then put them on for last night and they were awesome.

Mini pins from past experience take until round 3 to really work well, but then fall off after 2 or 3 meetings.

I've never got on with full spikes at ludlow. Since I tried used mini spikes I've never gone back. My car does push a bit, but that's the trade off for having good traction out of the corners.

[kayce]

Originally Posted by gazhillAE

Your way off a decent setup here mate!

The undeersteer won't be helped by the front roll bar remove it!

To cure chronic understeer, always start by removing/lessening the front bar and adding/stiffening a rear bar instead
(front bar = rear traction, rear bar = steering)

[Miggers]

When I raced an Optima Mid 20+years ago,one venue had a carpet-
polished wood mixed surface(it was a works club IIRC).

No roll bars,softer springs and oil all round.
Tyres were the stock Bridgestones(only time I used 'em,otherwise it was CAT pins).
Motor was a 21t running a 20t pinion

The trick I used when coming off the carpet onto the polished wood(it was a long left sweeping curve)was to brake on the carpet,go onto the wood into
a "Finnish Flick" and nail the throttle to hold a long 4 wheel drift through the
curve.
It would just set you up right to go back onto the carpet in a staright line
with full power on.

Mark

[wezzer]

i think this is the issue we are trying to cure
car has understeer then mental oversteer !!
its not progressive , it will push then mid corner oversteer

[westie]

Shocks rebuilt with thicker oil & bigG's sorting some minispikes out for me to try hopefully it will be better next time out

[Steven Forster]

Originally Posted by wezzer

i think this is the issue we are trying to cure
car has understeer then mental oversteer !!
its not progressive , it will push then mid corner oversteer

Also had the same problem on sunday with yellow mini pins...........I started of running yellow full spikes which were awesome in qualifying but changed for the final as everyboby else said that mini pins were the best to run with.

I was all over the place, understeer on initial turn in then oversteer from mid corner

this is the setup im using......

http://www.petitrc.com/setup/associa...219/index.html

[Big G]

yum I have the same tyres are I'm running ready for Wez and Luke to try. See what happens. There are settings explained that sometimes the car will swap without warning. try tyres 1st though.

[kayce]

Originally Posted by wezzer

i think this is the issue we are trying to cure
car has understeer then mental oversteer !!
its not progressive , it will push then mid corner oversteer

That's what happens when you have a case of excessive understeer, the car will push really bad and when it finally stops plowing it then has snap-oversteer. You have to cure the understeer.

[wezzer]

i ran mine with out any bars, with rear bars, front bars , and both ,and yes it changed but it didnt actually improve over all traction ! its just loose !
westie , do the shocks, lose roll bars , and try the tyres :-) we will get there dude :-)

[westie]

Originally Posted by wezzer

i ran mine with out any bars, with rear bars, front bars , and both ,and yes it changed but it didnt actually improve over all traction ! its just loose !
westie , do the shocks, lose roll bars , and try the tyres :-) we will get there dude :-)

Will do mate, Associated till i die

[markwilliamson2001]

I found changing the amount of weight around the lipos made a lot of difference to on-off power steering with the B44. I would try my setup that is posted further up the thread, and run a lot of weight in the rear, this should help with increased off-power turn in, but better traction out of the corners, I guess this is where your going wrong maybe?

I would definately not run a front roll bar. I know minipins dont work quite as well on a full polish track, and running brand new tyres is a no-go.

Hope this helps!

Btw, buggies suck inside for some reason on polish, much better with a rally or tourer IMO!

[wezzer]

to be honest thats pretty much what i am running already , :-s weird

[Big G]

I found mini pins work well after 3 races from new.
mini spikes take some running in also. after a meeting on astro I use them at ludlow and they get results for me