AE B4.1 or TLR 22 thoughts?

[ceejay21]

Hi everyone.
I am going to be buying a 2wd buggy to race alongside my 4wd buggy. both of these cars seem great but cant decide which one to get. what are your thoughts?

Team associated B4.1 factory team
or
Losi 22

[tisher]

b4.1 for me did not like the 22 very hard to get dialed in

[D20MCK]

I've had both cars, currently I'm running a 22 and in rear motor configuration, I liked the b4 but I find the 22 very easy and forgiving to drive in rear motor setup.

[ceejay21]

hmm still cant decide. i like the b4.1's design but i like the adjustability of the 22

[ian h]

Wait for the Durango 210. Saw them at oople race and they look good. Will work in rear and mid properly!

[gazhillAE]

B4.1 then c4.1

Wouldn't buy anything else !

[ian h]

Originally Posted by gazhillAE

B4.1 then c4.1

Wouldn't buy anything else !

Easy to say when you're sponsored by cml. Not very objective though. What price is the conversion kit going to be anyway?

[/tobys]

Don't forget to consider the X6 - although the C4.1 and DEX210 do look very good, they have yet to be driven by mere mortals, whereas the X6 has a proven track record (excuse the pun) from National level right down to Club Level.

[colmo]

From a practical PoV, a metric car would make sense as you have a D4 already - tools, screws and bearings would be somewhat cross-compatible - that rules out the B4.1 and it's conversions (X6, c4.1, Vega).

Of the metric hardware cars, that leaves the 22, Tamiya 201X, DEX210, Kyosho RB5, Cougar SV and even the Ansmann series.

In terms of spares and driver setup feedback, I suppose the 22, Cougar and DEX210 would have the best UK support. The Cougar is a little costly, and the DEX210 is not yet out, so that leaves...the 22? It seems it hasn't quite been cracked yet in mid-motor, but works well in rear-motor.

It's a nice choice to have - no bad choices, even the cheap Ansmann cars are pretty good with a few upgrades.

[ceejay21]

Cheers or all your views. Maybe I will go for the 22 then as it would save me buying an imperial tool set is there anything that could do with being upgraded when I build it?

[colmo]

Originally Posted by ceejay21

Cheers or all your views. Maybe I will go for the 22 then as it would save me buying an imperial tool set is there anything that could do with being upgraded when I build it?

Ceramic diff balls, probably. I think everything else is pretty good. Maybe some weights for tuning? I don't own one, so ask around and do your research, check the 22 build threads, they'll tell you best.

Some guys at one club I run at have been having diff issues with the 22 (mid-motor format) - this may just be a case of taking adequate care in the build and shimming.

[mattybucks]

Is the b4.1 not metric then?

[/tobys]

TBH, I would let having to buy a few drivers influence your decision too much - if you think how much we spend on the rest of the kit and the associated consumables, whats £20-£40 in drivers that will last much longer than the kit you'll build with them? You don't have to go crazy and buy the most expensive stuff...

The EDS ones are good quality and not too expensive if you only need a couple. When I got my metric drivers, I bought the most common ones for the kit (FS2) from EDS and then in-filled with cheaper Dynamite ones.

Mid motor is the way to go if you mostly race on high grip surfaces (Astro, Carpet, etc) so I wouldn't personally see the ability to revert to rear motor as that much of a benefit.

[/tobys]

Originally Posted by ceejay21

Cheers or all your views. Maybe I will go for the 22 then as it would save me buying an imperial tool set is there anything that could do with being upgraded when I build it?

You'll probably need some different springs as the kit ones will be for Dirt/Rear Motored setups...they are not that expensive but best to get them when you get the car, so you can get the correct setup for UK-style tracks...

[colmo]

Originally Posted by mattybucks

Is the b4.1 not metric then?

I believe some of the screw heads and the outdrive bearings are metric, but screw threads and nuts are imperial. I note the AE 1541 tool set is a mixture of imperial and metric hex drivers.

Don't own one, so not absolutely sure.

[ceejay21]

The ceramic diffballs do sound like a good idea. Actually I think I have a fastrax imperial tool set somewhere from the old Tc4 days. But I think I will go with a 22 anyway. If I don't get on with it I am pretty sure i will be able to sell it for a b4.1