Kyosho Lazer ZX-5 RTR @ Nuremburg Toy Fair

[sosidge]

Source: Radio Control Zone

[Sabben]

Awg! I hope you're kidding! If they're going to produse an rtr version of the zx-5 I will be very dissapionted of Kyosho as a brand!

[FifteenthNeo]

Originally Posted by Sabben

Awg! I hope you're kidding! If they're going to produse an rtr version of the zx-5 I will be very dissapionted of Kyosho as a brand!

Why be dissapointed. Kyosho already make a few RTR models so why not the ZX5. If it gives people the chance to have a go at buggy racing on a budget then thats a good enough reason for an RTR for me. Thats the first thing people ask when they show an interest "what do I need to get started"?

[jim76]

Originally Posted by Sabben

Awg! I hope you're kidding! If they're going to produse an rtr version of the zx-5 I will be very dissapionted of Kyosho as a brand!

associated have a ready to run B4. beginners version of the best/most popular 2wd around.
why not for 4wd? the cars are easier for beginners to control. hopefully it will boost numbers in off road, as well as Kyosho owners, which is good for the average ZX5 owner as they may put more effort into the team drivers side of things.

[Sabben]

Okai, maybe I was a little tuff there. But since the lazer i supposed to be a racing buggy, I think they should make a not that advanced buggy as a rtr-kit.

I don't know how to express my self...
But you don't see the v-one rrr or the Evolva 1/8 as rtr-kits...



Gosh! I am really bad in English!

[BenG]

Originally Posted by Sabben

Okai, maybe I was a little tuff there. But since the lazer i supposed to be a racing buggy, I think they should make a not that advanced buggy as a rtr-kit.

I don't know how to express my self...
But you don't see the v-one rrr or the Evolva 1/8 as rtr-kits...



Gosh! I am really bad in English!

I get ya.

They are ruining the ZX5's reputation?

Well, I think it looks messy, they could have made it look more tidy, theres too many wires.

No offense to ZX5 owners, but with Phillips head screws and a liberal use of plaggy, the ZX5 is already RTR-ish

[jim76]

admittedly the kit screws are bad, but the "plaggy?" (assume you mean plastic?) is not a problem. it's cheap for spares and not brittle like the £12 Losi graphite wishbones!

if Woody gets his drive then hopefully we will see what the car is really made of.

[woOdy]

Originally Posted by jim76

admittedly the kit screws are bad, but the "plaggy?" (assume you mean plastic?) is not a problem. it's cheap for spares and not brittle like the £12 Losi graphite wishbones!

if Woody gets his drive then hopefully we will see what the car is really made of.

Thanks mate! Fingers crossed.

[Nick Goodall]

Originally Posted by Sabben

Okai, maybe I was a little tuff there. But since the lazer i supposed to be a racing buggy, I think they should make a not that advanced buggy as a rtr-kit.

I don't know how to express my self...
But you don't see the v-one rrr or the Evolva 1/8 as rtr-kits...



Gosh! I am really bad in English!

Nothing wrong with your English at all, i think we all know what you're saying but equally how in ANY WAY can this be a bad thing????

As said above Associated make a RTR version of the B4, T4, GT and TC4 not so long ago - these are all very capable cars.

Personally i think it's a great way to get someone into the Hobby. There can't be anything worse then walking into a model shop, seeing a nice 4wd Kyosho and thinking yeah i fancy having a go at that....... walk up to the counter to be told "yes not a problem all you need is................................................ ." - I bet a lot of "Dad's" or people in general walk away at that point looking for the cheaper option which will probably last all of 5 mins before it breaks.

This way people get to buy the car and everything they need to go and have a crack at racing off road to see if they enjoy it - or if not, they at least have a car they can run about on the road etc.

[woOdy]

Originally Posted by Nick Goodall

Nothing wrong with your English at all, i think we all know what you're saying but equally how in ANY WAY can this be a bad thing????

As said above Associated make a RTR version of the B4, T4, GT and TC4 not so long ago - these are all very capable cars.

Personally i think it's a great way to get someone into the Hobby. There can't be anything worse then walking into a model shop, seeing a nice 4wd Kyosho and thinking yeah i fancy having a go at that....... walk up to the counter to be told "yes not a problem all you need is................................................ ." - I bet a lot of "Dad's" or people in general walk away at that point looking for the cheaper option which will probably last all of 5 mins before it breaks.

This way people get to buy the car and everything they need to go and have a crack at racing off road to see if they enjoy it - or if not, they at least have a car they can run about on the road etc.

Too shay. I totally agree with you Nick. You just got in before me. Also have you noticed it comes with threaded shock bodies!

[Nick Goodall]

Awesome, that's a good spec really!

Notice the old H Pattern Tyres?? I remember them from YEARS ago!!!

I also think the good thing is that at least Electrics are very easily upgraded so i really do think it's a great way to get Kids into racing - a lot of people don't want the hassle of having to build a kit too remember...... some people just want to buy the stuff and race it - i almost think there should be a "RTR" class at meetings, this would really open things up.

[shinytopman]

Originally Posted by woOdy

Thanks mate! Fingers crossed.

Dont worry Woody i think they're quite a few of us routing for ya with our fingers crossed!

Just wish there was more we could do to open there eye's hopefully they read these forums to give them so insite into peoples vues of there products. Saying that have'nt heard from "Kyosho" JonBoy lately.

Plus i think the entry level buggy is a great thing to encourage people into the sport. Even better if they can get a top notch chassis to boot. Who knows what the electrics are like , i would presume that they are sufficient to start with , but when they get better they can then upgrade to the standard of speedo\motor \cells that the likes of u and me would run.
That is where i think the difference is between a ready to run and a kit you'd buy to build and race.

In plane terms if you start with crap u might lose intrest ! and none of us want that we wanna see the sport grow !

[DCM]

RTR is a good way of for companies to claw back developement costs of the more expensive cars, it may 'appear' to dull down the lineage, but it realy doesn't, all it does is make the brand stronger.

[Sabben]

Originally Posted by www.tyrc.co.uk

I get ya.

They are ruining the ZX5's reputation?

Well, I think it looks messy, they could have made it look more tidy, theres too many wires.

No offense to ZX5 owners, but with Phillips head screws and a liberal use of plaggy, the ZX5 is already RTR-ish

Yes, I thougt of that.

They maybe should make an "r" or racing version of the zx-5 that's on the market now...? If they're going to produse this rtr-version...

[woOdy]

Originally Posted by shinytopman

Dont worry Woody i think they're quite a few of us routing for ya with our fingers crossed!

Just wish there was more we could do to open there eye's hopefully they read these forums to give them so insite into peoples vues of there products. Saying that have'nt heard from "Kyosho" JonBoy lately.

Plus i think the entry level buggy is a great thing to encourage people into the sport. Even better if they can get a top notch chassis to boot. Who knows what the electrics are like , i would presume that they are sufficient to start with , but when they get better they can then upgrade to the standard of speedo\motor \cells that the likes of u and me would run.
That is where i think the difference is between a ready to run and a kit you'd buy to build and race.

In plane terms if you start with crap u might lose intrest ! and none of us want that we wanna see the sport grow !

Regards nobody hearing from John, he has been busy with Nurenburge. I think also with the new cars coming too. I have no doubt he will be back soon.

[Sabben]

Originally Posted by shinytopman

Dont worry Woody i think they're quite a few of us routing for ya with our fingers crossed!

Just wish there was more we could do to open there eye's hopefully they read these forums to give them so insite into peoples vues of there products. Saying that have'nt heard from "Kyosho" JonBoy lately.

Plus i think the entry level buggy is a great thing to encourage people into the sport. Even better if they can get a top notch chassis to boot. Who knows what the electrics are like , i would presume that they are sufficient to start with , but when they get better they can then upgrade to the standard of speedo\motor \cells that the likes of u and me would run.
That is where i think the difference is between a ready to run and a kit you'd buy to build and race.

In plane terms if you start with crap u might lose intrest ! and none of us want that we wanna see the sport grow !

But if Kyosho's plan is to encourage people into the sport, then they GOT to make it cheaper. I live in Norway, here the Lazer costs about 3500 NOK, witch is about 550 US dollars. And since the rtr-kit is very similar to the Lazer who's on the market now, the prise will be higher then 550$, here in Norway! I don't think a person who allmost never have driven a "real rc-car" will say that this is way too expensive...

Maybe I got this hole thing wrong, but I don't see the point...

[shinytopman]

Its hard to say till you know the price of the rtr car really

But there are other factors, some people might find the task of biulding a car + the electrics quite dawnting, others just might not have the time (say a working dad getting a kit for his son) so this makes it easy for them.
Or even just the backyard basher who just cant wait to get his hands on a car and doesnt want the wait !

These sort of people will prob pay a little extra, lets face it some people just want everything done for them these days to make life easy !

Im sure that kyosho have taken all these arguements into account with producing this car, and who knows if its cheaper than a zx5 kit then im sure kyosho would have changed something in the kit to make it cheaper to produce (a b4 rtr looks just the same as a b4FT in a pic till your get a good look) if not they'ed be out of business, and if its dearer then perhaps your paying for the privolige of just having to charge batteries and go !

I might be totally wrong, I dont know, but thats just the way i see it.

[Sabben]

I got the new Kyosho Catalog today. And there, the Lazer ZX-5E, as they are calling the rtr-kit, is shown. It says that this rtr-kit is an kopy of the ZX-5, but with some "cheaper" shocks, and a not that expensive matherial that the chassie parts are made of.

But I don't know the price ( I forgot to bring a price-list )

[Jonathan]

Theres a few more pics on the Kyosho France website for the fair. Some of the RB too.

http://www.kyoshofrance.com/fr/k-mag...erg%202007.htm

[Sabben]

In the catalog it says that the RB (2wd buggy) will maybe be prodused. But they will wait for the World Cup in Japan before they make any further desicions.

Maybe this is old news...?