Center One way, aluminium pulley 18T

[Chris]

Soon to be released for DB01 and TRF501X:54051 Center One Way (18T)

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by Chris

Soon to be released for DB01 and TRF501X:54041 Center One Way, 54051 aluminium pulley 18T

Any pics or links?

[AaronR]

I was going to start a new thread on the new center one-way but I will just ask and throw it in here....

How will a front and rear diff, standard non-center one-way equipped 501 perform/act/handle vs. a front and rear diff, center one-way equipped 501? Here is Jimmy's explanation of the center one-way from a few days ago..."The centre one way works on the front of the car but is located on the centre layshaft pulley. So the pulley itself will freewheel when off power. When on-power its just like a 'normal' 4WD car. So you get a little more steering into the corner and an easy to drive car out of the corner without the same snappy handling of a front one way."

So if I understand correctly, the pulley for the front belt will free-wheel while the rear will not? Will the front wheels still not do any of the braking (drag or intentional)? I want the aluminum center pulley(s) without drastically sacrificing my 501's current performance, but... if it does add a little more steering compared to a crazy steering full front one-way, I will likely buy and try it!

[DCM]

it gives a little more turn in than a fixed 4wd, but less overal steering than a front one-way plus you still get the diff action.

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by DCM

it gives a little more turn in than a fixed 4wd, but less overal steering than a front one-way plus you still get the diff action.

DCM spot on!! except the fixed one way such as the 501x doesnt have that diff action so is just a one way.

I prefer the one way on the layshaft with a diff in the front, it gives better steering and better drive to the wheels than a fixed one way. I dont like the one way diff on the 501x, it doesnt feel correct, even with the same size diff pulley all round, hence why I am going to have to come up with a solution so I can have a one way on my layshaft with 16t pulleys.

Some like the one way fixed front, but without the one way, as DCM says it makes the car very difficult to drive and horrible in and out of corners, but the one way at the front or on the layshaft (not on the rear) kindof counteracts the back pushing and the front pulling into a corner at the same time and better balances the drive train so you can go at whatever angle into and out of a corner at what ever speed suits you.

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by AaronR

I was going to start a new thread on the new center one-way but I will just ask and throw it in here....

How will a front and rear diff, standard non-center one-way equipped 501 perform/act/handle vs. a front and rear diff, center one-way equipped 501? Here is Jimmy's explanation of the center one-way from a few days ago..."The centre one way works on the front of the car but is located on the centre layshaft pulley. So the pulley itself will freewheel when off power. When on-power its just like a 'normal' 4WD car. So you get a little more steering into the corner and an easy to drive car out of the corner without the same snappy handling of a front one way."

So if I understand correctly, the pulley for the front belt will free-wheel while the rear will not? Will the front wheels still not do any of the braking (drag or intentional)? I want the aluminum center pulley(s) without drastically sacrificing my 501's current performance, but... if it does add a little more steering compared to a crazy steering full front one-way, I will likely buy and try it!

Aaron,

I would suggest you buying the standard one way and trying it first. I am also waiting for alloy pulleys, if you have seen them add a link mate as I want to buy a set and trial them as well. If they do exist then I have something to work with to trial a one way layshaft.

[DCM]

actually, if you re-read it, I say the center one way is inbetween a fixed and a one way pulley up front, and is a little more tame due to still having diff action....

[AaronR]

Originally Posted by Welshy40

Aaron,

I would suggest you buying the standard one way and trying it first. I am also waiting for alloy pulleys, if you have seen them add a link mate as I want to buy a set and trial them as well. If they do exist then I have something to work with to trial a one way layshaft.

Why are you choosing to use the 16T pulleys? Nothing wrong with that, just asking.

I do not have a link but it sounds like the aluminum pulleys are only available with the new center one-way package. We will have to see if they are removable (like the plastic pulleys) or somehow locked onto the new center layshaft.

[DCM]

I would guess there is a way of shimming the center one-way on the driveshaft.

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by AaronR

Why are you choosing to use the 16T pulleys? Nothing wrong with that, just asking.

I do not have a link but it sounds like the aluminum pulleys are only available with the new center one-way package. We will have to see if they are removable (like the plastic pulleys) or somehow locked onto the new center layshaft.

Aaron - I am unsure of the larger pulleys and diffs, its more mass in my eyes and more of a strain on the motor (thats my opinion anyway) and am using the 35t pulley all round and the 16t layshaft pulleys, which should accelarate a fraction quicker. I have seen the 18t one way pulley from this web site (the worlds pics) and I intend to make one from a touring car one way and a bit of dremelling on the alloy bits for the layshaft.

DCM I am a bit confused with what you wrote, so you have not only two one way bearings on the layshaft but also a one way front diff, or do you use a diff in the front and two one way bearings on the layshaft, if thats the case what are the part numbers as I will do that instead so I have a full diff at the front as well?

The front one way only moves one way so isnt really doing the proper job, yes it doing half the job but doesnt do it for me. I need a full working diff on the front and the layshaft to have the one way.

[AaronR]

I could see your theory... but I bet a 5.5 or 4.5 brushless motor with a strong ESC punch setting will take care of your lack of acceleration VERY quickly!

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by AaronR

I could see your theory... but I bet a 5.5 or 4.5 brushless motor with a strong ESC punch setting will take care of your lack of acceleration VERY quickly!

Possibly, but I think Im not going to up to the big pulley system as I dont agree with what they are saying. Still I have changed to an 87 spur gear and will take Dans advice and try a 5.5 in brushless, but for the mean time back to corally brushed motors and maximum punch.

[sosidge]

Anyone had the opportunity to race with the centre one-way yet? Any feedback?

[AaronR]

Originally Posted by sosidge

Anyone had the opportunity to race with the centre one-way yet? Any feedback?

New photo but likely not available yet (at least from TamiyaUSA).
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/ite...oduct-id=54051

Maybe Jimmy can keep a keen eye out for it at the Euro Champs.

FOR ANYONE: Is anyone else driving a 501 at the Euros besides Hupo?

[WailinOnYa]

The big question for me is if anyone knows whether or not this layshaft oneway is adjustable for more or less freewheel like the Yokomo unit or is it full freewheel all the time, set it and forget it!

[B44&501xRacerEX]

I know this is coming out soon, but will it affect if you are using a front
one way as well? "IT ADDS MORE STEERING" like the car doesnt need anymore
steering as it is.
Well, most people wont need it, but I'm sure people wanting every upgrade for the car will buy it.
I ran the car myself without the front one-way and it drove like no other, super easy to drive.
I dont see what else Id need for it.
I have a front-one way, Aluminim steering bridge etc..
I still dunno what the aluminum steering bridge is gonna do,
I havent installed it yet, or do I even need to?

[Welshy40]

Not yet, but when it is out i will get one. However its going to be just like the Yokomo or schumacher or Kyosho one ways that have been on their past cars (YZ10, Cat, Lazer ZX/ZXR), so I guess its down to prederence. Me I want a full working front diff instead of a half working unit which should slow the tyre wear rate a bit on the front, as well as giving you whatever slip (if you want that) setting you desire.

Originally Posted by AaronR

New photo but likely not available yet (at least from TamiyaUSA).
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/ite...oduct-id=54051

Maybe Jimmy can keep a keen eye out for it at the Euro Champs.

FOR ANYONE: Is anyone else driving a 501 at the Euros besides Hupo?

[sosidge]

The centre one-way is out if you look in the right places.

[mole2k]

Originally Posted by Welshy40

Not yet, but when it is out i will get one. However its going to be just like the Yokomo or schumacher or Kyosho one ways that have been on their past cars (YZ10, Cat, Lazer ZX/ZXR), so I guess its down to prederence. Me I want a full working front diff instead of a half working unit which should slow the tyre wear rate a bit on the front, as well as giving you whatever slip (if you want that) setting you desire.

Thats exactly what I want, im not a big fan of the front one ways as its a bit too brutal and even just a completely free center one way, i've always prefered a bit of braking to the front wheels but not a 50:50 split.

The system I had in my Cat was awesome basically a one way slipper clutch to the front.

[downtempo]

Originally Posted by sosidge

The centre one-way is out if you look in the right places.

Where?