getting more steering on throttle in my TLR 22?

[vrooom]

How can i get more steering on throttle?
it is bit little understeering. rear end is very stable.

I run rear motor, with stagger rib upfront, minipin/minispikes rear.
I race on indoor carpet / outdoor grass.

My 22 is standard setup wise. TLR kit version.

What can i do/buy to make my car to be less understeering on throttle?

[nicmo]

obvious question, have you tried mid motor?

[vrooom]

Nope I havent.

[Robby]

Originally Posted by nicmo

obvious question, have you tried mid motor?

Originally Posted by vrooom

Nope I havent.

What have you tried?



Not trying to blow you off, but this feels like another of these generalized question threads - ironically totally opposite to the one the other week (seven topics downpage) entitled "what to do against too much steering". (never overlook the obvious)

[vrooom]

No, I understand where you coming from. I am completly new to buggy.

I wont switch to mid motor but i can see advantages because i have to buy new battery and shell, and weights in rear.

I tried.

Changing the front wheel from 4wd minipin on narrow rim to stagger rib, that helped alot in stability and less traction rolls.

adding 2mm washer to bumpsteer to get rid of bump steer.

removed the 2mm washers from front camber links (both sides)

added 2mm washer on 'B' on the rear hubs, 1mm washer inside the chassis. (1st hole)

moved the full size lipo battery forward to help.

That about it.

[vrooom]

oh, i left the travel on my spektrum to 150%

[Robocop]

If its the kit setup you may need to stiffen the car up on the rear via springs and shocks etc as you may find the kit setup is for the usa on dirt

[Robby]

Originally Posted by vrooom

I am completly new to buggy.

What's your rc background? What classes are you used to running?

[vrooom]

I used to 'bash' my hpi savage, and ran a touring car for 8 month every weekends, and still running tamiya mini in my onroad club.
I sold my TC for this, best thing ever happened to me.

[Robby]

Originally Posted by vrooom

No, I understand where you coming from. I am completly new to buggy.

I wont switch to mid motor but i can see advantages because i have to buy new battery and shell, and weights in rear.

I tried.

Changing the front wheel from 4wd minipin on narrow rim to stagger rib, that helped alot in stability and less traction rolls.

adding 2mm washer to bumpsteer to get rid of bump steer.

removed the 2mm washers from front camber links (both sides)

added 2mm washer on 'B' on the rear hubs, 1mm washer inside the chassis. (1st hole)

moved the full size lipo battery forward to help.

That about it.

Part of your problem is that you've literally done everything to get rid of steering (set-up wise), and now you're wanting more steering.
You can't have it both ways.

Originally Posted by vrooom

I used to 'bash' my hpi savage, and ran a touring car for 8 month every weekends, and still running tamiya mini in my onroad club.
I sold my TC for this, best thing ever happened to me.

OK, the other thing is that, in my eyes I think you might be expecting too much.
"2wd cars, especially 2wd offroad dirt cars, especially 2wd offroad rear-motor cars are notorious for their on-throttle understeer"
This is why mid-motor cars, being run on higher traction (ozite/astro) surfaces, are so popular in Europe - and why rear-motor cars, being run on low traction (dirt) surfaces, are so popular in the U.S.
On top of all that I think you need to change your driving style, as you're used to mashing the throttle and having the front wheels (4wd) pull you through the corner. And now you need to slow down and allow the car to take a set going into the corner, and/or modulating the throttle/brake to get the rearend of the car to swing around - instead of being hard on the gas which just keeps the front wheels unweighted in a lightweight 2wd buggy.
The final thing is finding a set of tyres that match up to your conditions and needs: getting more front traction/steering will eventually result in traction rolling, along with finding rears that maybe don't have as much traction as the ones you're currently using (you still haven't said what rear tyres you're using, and you might try something as simple as going to some that are less aggressive/have less bite).

Other than that, there are a lot of different set-ups on here already (you need to read them), and it's a matter of you finding one that works for you. There is no magic potion, magic dust, or magic set-up that works for everyone everywhere all the time.

[vrooom]

Oh yes i realise this ages ago.

[Razer]

Originally Posted by vrooom

Oh yes i realise this ages ago.

http://www.petitrc.com/setup/losi/se...718/index.html

Try this setup.

[Chris56]

Ran mine indoors for the first time in ages last night. It lacked the on-power steering so I did the following:

- Used a shorter camber link on rear (moved the inboard ball studs onto the outer hole)
- Moved the rear shocks outwards at the bottom

Both of these loosened the rear end quite a bit