Paypal gift. Again.

[Col]

Following on from this thread: http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95052

Is it time to ban paypal gift payments?

[Nas]

I personally think it should be banned, many new comers will not know how gift works etc,and they could easily be scammed or whatever. Paying that small fee is much safer,you have Paypal protection.Were as with gift you have NOTHING.

[Cardnim]

hmmm, good question to ask Col, and initially I jsut typed in a message saying I DONT think it should be banned as if I know the person then Im happy to gift them (eg. Dazzler, danclement, bigRed - all very reputable and 100% trustworthy)

However, I now DO think it should be banned. If it is banned on the listing, then new buyers are protected.

Yet this doesnt stop me choosing gift as an option when I log into my paypal account to pay - if I know the people and am happy to do so.

So maybe a good idea to ban it on here?
I vote yes.

[bodgit]

Ban it. Too many people are getting ripped off.

[acorn28]

I've generally always sent gift payments, but after reading this, I'll certainly be reluctant to do so in the future. As a seller, its easy to factor the Paypal fees into your asking price and as a buyer, personally I'll now prefer to pay a few extra quid for the peace of mind.

[JCJC]

Its worked well for me in the past (gift), but like to know who I am dealing with.

[mattr]

Ban people from asking for it, either by putting it in the ad, or via PM.

If the buyer wants to do it that way, fair enough, their look out.

I've just paid for some stuff by PPG, but its only 17 quids worth, so if its a no show, i have to live with the loss.

[john333]

I don't sell much but I have started saying price inc fee's and postage.

If the buyer looks at my post count and feedback and decides it's safe in their opinion to pay by gift then I wont argue, but I certainly wont demand gift payment.

My vote would be to ban asking for gift in the advert.

[TARTMAN]

ban on insisting PPG, yes, but make it optional. If you know the seller or there feedbacks good, then gift is a safe option and saves the paypal fees etc. but if a new buyer/seller etc, then safer to have it normal PP......

Banning is prob easier, as long as the regulars can use gift, i dont like the paypal fees, but its a good idea sometimes ....

did i just sit on the fence again., oooops........

[Cream]

I voted to keep it. I always ask for gift payment but if they want to pay the extra 4% that is an option I give them with the revised price.
Me personally, I pay the fees of buying, unless I REALLY know the person.
You have got to look at who you are buying off. If it's someone trying to build a reputation e.g. some one like myself, They are not likely to rip you off. One justified bad comment wipes out dozens of good comments. If it's some one random then your a fool for doing it. If they insist on gift payment then walk away. No matter how good the deal looks. Pay the extra 4% and be happy you have some comeback.

It's very dificult to police and even if it's banned you'll still get people paying by gift via PM, and you'll still have people moaning on the site that they have been ripped off.
Top and bottom of it.
Deal with people you trust or give yourself some protection against the idiots. There are lots of warnings on the site and a great feedback forum for people to make an informed choice.

[discostu]

i think it should be down to the buyers discretion if you pay with gift its your risk not ooples fault and in my view the posts the get put on here moaning about sellers not sending and the buyer has payed with ppg should be removed we are not intrested.

its your own fault


its just my view so dont be offened

stu

[martgifford]

Originally Posted by discostu

i think it should be down to the buyers discretion if you pay with gift its your risk not ooples fault

I agree with you.

Originally Posted by discostu

... in my view the posts the get put on here moaning about sellers not sending and the buyer has payed with ppg should be removed we are not intrested.

its your own fault

You are correct, it is my fault for trusting previous feedback and sending payment as gift. However people are interested as it helps other people keep safe and sometimes (as in my case-fingers crossed), helps resolve the situation for me and others. This is the idea of a community/trader feedback.

Originally Posted by discostu

... its just my view so dont be offened

I am not

[U1timate PigDog]

I say keep it, theres alot of people on here who are trust worthy and safe to pay by gift and its being spoilt by the few that are just trying to rip people off.

I think that maybe the limit on how many posts youve made should be higher before being able to post in the for sale section. Ive seen people come on here first post FOR SALE.

Or is there a better way of varifying peoples names and addresses for people wishing to sell?

[dibble34]

I don't ever ask for ppg and don't like it when others do, however i think leave it. You don't want to have to police everything. Some other forums are very strict in the sales section and It puts me off the whole site. There is lots of info about ppg gift on this site. Maybe put a sticky warning about ppg in sale section.

[bigred5765]

Gift is fine as long as you know the person, other wise use goods and pay expenses then at least your covered,

[Karting]

ban it, it makes everything easier, then everyone is covered

[SlowOne]

Col, I hope you weren't one of those who complained on a recent thread about the nanny state!!

Clearly the Oople community will decide what they think is best. My view is that if people cannot do their homework; if they enter into agreements (like PayPal) they cannot be bothered to read; if they make any assumptions about people they 'meet' over the internet... they get what they deserve.

Personally, I am roundly fed up with being made to do this or that, behave this way or that, just because there are a few idiots out there who are unable to do their homework, and unable to take responsibility for their actions. With my tongue in my cheek, and not a little sarcasm, I am also fed up with people trying to ensure that the idiots don't die out naturally, and creating an environment where they thrive!! Banning PPG only makes sure that the Laws of natural selection favour the idiots and breeds more of them!!!

Seriously, let the Oople users and dedicated community members decide. I would prefer to be able to act as I think fit to keep my costs down, but if everyone feels the need to protect people from themselves, then so be it. Thanks for raising it Col, hope I am forgiven for hijacking the thread for a rant... of sorts...

[cjm_2008]

I insist on direct bank transfer - no fees involved for either party.

in addition to that, I will issue any buyer with my full name, address, and both phone numbers if they require it. and once an item is paid for & posted, the buyer gets the tracking number (I'll NEVER agree to send anything uninsured & not tracked).

paypal = parasite, as far as I'm concerned.

[Dazzler]

Regardless of the outcome of this poll, it can't actually be banned - Fact. It can be enforced that gift is not requested in For Sale adds. But that's about it.. It's down to buyers to be vigilant and do what they feel is right. The real deal is carried out by PM's, phonecalls, emails etc. therefore that is when buyers and sellers will do as they please.



I can only suggest 2 things: -

1) Is that Col runs a bring and buy stall from his house?

2) Lobby PayPal to have the option removed for everyone.

I don't see either happening..

[burgie]

I echo absolutely what slowone said....

Don't bring the nanny state onto oople, let Darwin take his course!