losi 222 piston and oil combo

[cryer-evo]

hi all could all of you put your piston /oil/spring set ups for your losi 22

i am running out door on astro/ grass very bumpy as is normally a 1/8th rally cross track

front 55 piston 27.5w oil red spring
rear 55 piston 20w oil yellow spring
ride hight front 18/19 rear 20

jumps completly flat and level soaks up bumps very well very easy to drive

indoor tight carpit track small jumps
i am running
front 55 piston 27.5w oil silver spring
rear 55 piston 27.5w oil yellow spring
ride hight front 8/9 rear 10/11

jumps well terns well but still grip rolling abit

[kayce]

Originally Posted by cryer-evo

ride hight front 8/9 rear 10/11

[cryer-evo]

basically it is as low as it can be shock collers up as far as they can go so no tension on the springs

[kayce]

rideheight that low, makes no sense whatsoever

[cryer-evo]

the jumps at the indoor carpet track are only about 2" hi so dont get a lot of hight of them and if i have it at any higher it just grip rolls at every corner

[kayce]

Originally Posted by cryer-evo

any higher it just grip rolls at every corner

Sorry, but I have a sneaking suspicion that you aren't using an accurate ride-height gauge and/or don't truly know how low 8mm actually is..... and you sure seem to be doing a lot of mentioning of grip-rolling in multiple threads, that nobody else seems to have the depth of problems with it you do.

I've yet to grip-roll or traction roll mine, ever - and it suggests you're doing something really wrong.

[cryer-evo]

do you have a set up i could try ? i run yellow mini pins all around
it could just be me

i did put silver springs up front wich helped i then put red springs on the back but didnt help so i put the yellow ones back on

[kayce]

Originally Posted by cryer-evo

do you have a set up i could try ?

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83822


What size track are you running on?
The one we use is larger than a basketball court, so it's fairly large for indoors.

[cryer-evo]

very small and tight

[kayce]

Originally Posted by cryer-evo

very small and tight

Which would suggest there's no logical explanation for you to be grip/traction-rolling, other than a set-up that's totally wrong or overdriving the car.

[steveproracing]

Here is what I have found the sweet spot to be for these shocks for a mid motor 22 on high grip tracks. Indoor or outdoor.
I never need to do anything mor that a 2.5wt oil change

Front
27.5wt losi oil
Green front spring
3mm internal spacers
55 x 4 hole piston

Mid tower
Mid wishbone
short camber link
No spacers under link
Axle height. Low
25 kick 5 castor

Rear
27.5wt losi oil
White spring
No spacers
54 x 4 hole piston

Outer on tower
Inner on wishbone

Use a 1e rear link with 3mm under outer ball
Short wheelbase

Use lrc block with toe in of your choice. I like 5 deg
Max antisquat
Ride height
18-20mm all round
This car works better with a level chassis or nose slightly high

Any qs just ask
Hth

[kayce]

http://www.neobuggy.net/modules/news...?storyid=11083

"TLR driver Darren Bloomfield kindly sent us a couple of his race winning setups, most recently his ...... TLR 22 base setup for indoor/outdoor having won with it on outdoor astroturf as well as indoor carpet tracks.

Darren said the following of his TLR 22 setup, "This is why I'm finally releasing my TLR 22 setup, having proven it works indoors and outdoors, with the exact same set up. I advise people this is a place to start, maybe not 100% for every 22 user but definatly a good starting position, then just make your own changes to suit your own personal driving style, everyone drives different and not one set up works the same for any two people." "

[cryer-evo]

right then din having a chat with my mate and and he thinks ass i have bin racing pan cars for about 3 years it is my driving style and not the car as i am breaking mid corner and not befor it and my car is grip rolling as a result .

so i am going to change the way i drive it lol as it is not a pan car lol

[jcb]

I would guess your running it too low and when cornering hard your shocks are bottoming out, as you have no suspension travel left it's resulting in the grip role.
I would raise it up so the rear driveshafts are parrallel to the surface your car is on, and set the front so that the chassis is level.

It could also be that yellow mini pins all round are giving you too much grip. Have you tried stagger ribs on the front, or trimming some of the spikes off? On carpet it wouldn't be un-heard of to remove at least one or two outer rows of pins from the tires.

The only other option would be to try and reduce body roll through your camber links, shock pack and roll bars, but raising the car up is the place to start in my opinion.

[cryer-evo]

Thanks for the info peaple

Kayce the link you posted only has blank set up sheets on it our am I looking in the wrong place

[cryer-evo]

So then went out today with 55 piston 27.5w oil and silver spring in the front
And 54 piston 22.5 oil and white spring in the rear car felt very good could drive the car much harder then befor but I think it could be a bit better over the bumps just need to get the shox to react to the bumps a bit faster