Is H&S destroying Darwin's theory of Natural Selection?

[Balders]

Just popped to the loo in work and was confronted with a new sign...

[Pops]

Oh god give me strength!..Take a magic marker to it Mikey....

[peetbee]

what's a faucet?

But the answer to your question is yes, regrettably.

[DCM]

Haha, that got to be an American sign, with the use of Faucet rather than tap....

Danger, water may be wet...

[Pops]

Faucet refers to the apature/outlet hence the word "TAP" underneath

[IceMike]

we call our h&s guy "captain danger" since he started workin at my work there are literally thousands of signs up.

[bodgit]

Suprised they dont have a sign...Beware Slippery Surface...or..Wet Floor...by the urinals.

[liam]

Id be more worried about some bloke taking a picture of my love bone than burning me hands!

[Si Coe]

Its not Health and Safety itself thats the problem. H&S is just another symptom of the real issue - those f***wits who injure themselves doing something stupid then sue because you didn't specifically tell them not to. H&S only exists because companies, councils etc are terrified of being sued because someone was daft enough to wire up their testicles to the national grid as there was no huge warning sign saying not to.

The French run a system of 'you shouldn't have been so bloody brainless' and the result is much less daft H&S policy in France.......

[Pops]

Originally Posted by Si Coe

Its not Health and Safety itself thats the problem. H&S is just another symptom of the real issue - those f***wits who injure themselves doing something stupid then sue because you didn't specifically tell them not to. H&S only exists because companies, councils etc are terrified of being sued because someone was daft enough to wire up their testicles to the national grid as there was no huge warning sign saying not to.

The French run a system of 'you shouldn't have been so bloody brainless' and the result is much less daft H&S policy in France.......

Well put and spot on

[reg]

A chap was on his bike,he had no lights on it and it was dark,he went through the park and crashed into a bollard that stops people getting onto the park in there cars,he rang my work as we own the park,saying "i will be suing",he was told he didnt have a case,i went out and painted the top of the bollard so no one else did the same,he then won the case because we had now highlighted it as a danger

[SlowOne]

In answer to the first question - yes! Hundreds of thousands of people stay alive thanks to safer cars, anti-smoking campaigns and taxes, airline safety, product legislation, etc. and so the regulation just goes on and on and on and...

But, and it's a big but, this business of people claiming compensation is something that has also become endemic. And, let's face it, how many people are going to give up the chance of 'free' money if they collide with a bollard, etc. Honestly, would you? If you want an end to all this, then ostracise from society anyone who claims for not looking where they are going, etc. Are you going to do that?

I liked what Arsene Wenger had to say on the matter when they tried to cancel a game at the Emirates last winter because they were afraid people might slip over on the ice and snow on the concourse outside. "The problem with this country" he said "is that you are ruled by fear, and not by the ability to take a rational risk. You cancel the game because you are afraid that someone might sue you, instead of asking people to assess their own risk and make their own decision to come or not." Why does it take a Frenchman to point out so clearly the problem with the British?

[DCM]

As much as people moan about H&S, when it is used correctly, it is very good, it is when someone untrained takes over and deems everyone is a window licking, knuckle dragging retard whose common sense gland was rip out at birth!!

Yet recently, my father took the council to court after stepping into a pothole in a parking bay outside our local shops, he did it as a last resort as the council wouldn't even acknowledge the poor quality of tarmac. But, the council have an excuse, understandably the surveyor on his 6 monthly inspection isn't expected to crawl and look under cars.... but also isn't expected to write on the survey that a complete inspection was not carried out due to parked cars!

[Welshy40]

H&S is starting to become a joke. You do need a risk and method statement for working on a pavement as its classed as working at height. Its making my life a frigging nightmare as ive got no end of RA & MS to do for my 40 odd operatives so they are above these daft n stupid safety rules and regulations. Next youll need one to go to the toilet.

[coolcars782]

We have to fill out a risk assessment every science lesson incase some one trips on a bag LOL

[Si Coe]

I'm a science teacher myself, and I've actually been a schools H&S rep to - basically I had to fill in the accident book more than anyone else, so they made me the rep!
The problem is that kids
a ) believe they are invincible
and
b ) see all those injury-lawyer-4U ads on the tv.

Recently a pupil fell in a pothole in the pavement whilst wandering along chatting to his mates (ie wasn't looking where he was going). He was awarded £10 000, which is a large sum, especially to a 14 year old. After that the whole school started looking for 'accidents' they could sue for - its easy money!

Anyway - the official school H&S line is just don't do it. No experiment, no movement, no DT, no sport. Of course the fact that we are ordered to do these things is another matter......

[sldmodels]

The trouble is (and I think someone has said something similar), the people (and in this case, local counils), react the wrong way to h&s. Outside where I live, there's been a broken bottle on the pavement in a location that's really busy, and it's been there nearly a month without anyone clearing it away. If someone falls, because of the also badly maintained pavement, then isn't the people responsible for maintaining that pavement partly responsible responsible, and also the people who didn't move the broken bottle if people get hurt by it. Of course some people will fall without any help

At the same time, anyone in a wheelchair, would have to go right out of their way to avoid it, crossing the road at possible dangerous locations, and possibly puncturing their tyres if they don't see it in time.

We don't have signs on our rc cars stating "requires maintenance otherwise will drive like crap" because we don't need them, but we do need to remember to maintain our cars, regardless of how well we're good at that.

[burgie]

So, if it's outside where you live, do the decent thing and move the broken bottle.

It's everyone's responsibility to ensure the safety and wellbeing of others, and above all else, the removal of a broken bottle is very easy to do and surprisingly safe to do.

[sldmodels]

It's not "right outside" where we live, but on the regular pavement (I live in a block of flats, so don't have my "own" section).

This is just it, if I move it, and don't move all of it for whatever reason, and then someone has an accident, I can be sued. I'll get onto the council to sort it, but I shouldn't need to clean up after some drunken idiot has dropped their bottle.

[kitesurfer73]

Originally Posted by Si Coe

Its not Health and Safety itself thats the problem. H&S is just another symptom of the real issue - those f***wits who injure themselves doing something stupid then sue because you didn't specifically tell them not to. H&S only exists because companies, councils etc are terrified of being sued because someone was daft enough to wire up their testicles to the national grid as there was no huge warning sign saying not to.

The French run a system of 'you shouldn't have been so bloody brainless' and the result is much less daft H&S policy in France.......

Si every word well spoken fella...