Moto-Arena New Track

[mk2kompressor]

this is the current layout that we will end up with by friday pm :mrgreen:






any feedback is welcome

[sosidge]

Well, I think the presentation of the track is very professional.

I think the alternative route you have marked in black is a lot more interesting than the natural route which is just sweeper-blast-hairpin-blast etc. A little more thought on the variety of corners around the circuit would have been time well spent, because identical sweepers on and off of the straight are not very inspiring, and the cut-throughs look like an afterthought with limited kerbing.

I also think the promotion of the track needs to be more professional. The website is improved, but still out of date, and short of information.

[Swalls]

Although it is an amazing facility I can't say I am bowled over by the track layout. The one you have marked out there is just fine, but I don't think the islands you have offer up much in the way of options to change it. If the sweeper sections were broken up into say 3 parts this offers more options and would be an improvement in my opinion.

As sosidge says, a little more time on designing the island system with many track layouts in mind would have helped. I hope that changing the islands is not too costly because I think it really would be beneficial to go back and make some changes.

can't really knock the facility, it looks ice cool, but maybe a few more areas to pit would be good. If you have big meetings in the future the current pit space you have doesn't look like it will be enough.

All this said, I really want to visit moto arena, hopefully I will be able to do the schui open there at the end of the month, it looks like fun.

[mk2kompressor]

Nothing is painted on the Tarmac so it only takes a day or so to add more
with extra tables we can pit up to 135 people too

[mk2kompressor]

another version from a different angle

[sosidge]

You've photoshopped the track, haven't you?

Show us a real photo of the track on Friday PM please.

[mk2kompressor]

yes i had the removable sections from the islands removed to give everyone an idea of what it would be like once finished and show the layout.
this is as it stands now (we are pulling 16s laps on it)

[tc3nitro]

When we will be able to come and race on this track ?

[Bob Burr]

You need to stop trying to build a indoor carpet track NOW, which is what you are doing, multi layouts etc etc.
All (well nearly all) the proper outdoor tracks use 1 layout , Bedworth, Stafford, Aldershot, Halifax, W/L, Mendip, Broxtowe and sadly missed Ashby (probably the best track in its day), yes some have a few cut throughs but most are never used.
Drivers say they want alternatives but most dont, they want to know the time they did this week is quicker than last week because they were "well quicker !!" not because the track was different, it needs to look for all intense and purpose just like an outdoor track but indoors (140 drivers at nationals cant be wrong), they want to know know that the new car they have just purchased is quicker than the car they had 6 months ago and you only get that by using the same circuit over and over again.
may sound boring but it is not, that is the nature of on road (as aposed to off road) real circuits dont keep changing it from race to race.

You need a proper sweeper at the end of the straight (its too tight at present) bring the track at least 1 1/2 foot in from the bariers this gives room for marshals and also run off room (this should be a painted line with green between the line and barrier) and you need a twisty bit before the straight.

You have a great venue get it right, you have messed about enough ? sorry if the above sounds hard trying to help. I built Bedworth along with others so i am talking from experience.

[Steveonamission]

Originally Posted by Bob Burr

You need to stop trying to build a indoor carpet track NOW, which is what you are doing, multi layouts etc etc.
All (well nearly all) the proper outdoor tracks use 1 layout , Bedworth, Stafford, Aldershot, Halifax, W/L, Mendip, Broxtowe and sadly missed Ashby (probably the best track in its day), yes some have a few cut throughs but most are never used.
Drivers say they want alternatives but most dont, they want to know the time they did this week is quicker than last week because they were "well quicker !!" not because the track was different, it needs to look for all intense and purpose just like an outdoor track but indoors (140 drivers at nationals cant be wrong), they want to know know that the new car they have just purchased is quicker than the car they had 6 months ago and you only get that by using the same circuit over and over again.
may sound boring but it is not, that is the nature of on road (as aposed to off road) real circuits dont keep changing it from race to race.

You need a proper sweeper at the end of the straight (its too tight at present) bring the track at least 1 1/2 foot in from the bariers this gives room for marshals and also run off room (this should be a painted line with green between the line and barrier) and you need a twisty bit before the straight.

You have a great venue get it right, you have messed about enough ? sorry if the above sounds hard trying to help. I built Bedworth along with others so i am talking from experience.

I could'nt agree more.

Sorry if this is going to come across as a bashing to what COULD be the best facility in the UK...

I had a discussion about the track at last rounds rug racers, and the track is POOR, it looks like a 5 year old built it. As Bob says build a permanent layout with decent curbing and apexs, it does not have to come down to the case of you can only race a single layout on it, im talking about such tracks as West London, Snetterton... those kinda layouts that will SUIT your facility, which are well thought out.

Everyone i spoke to agreed on the fact that you should look into the TITC track from the 2008 Worlds, which is no longer around anymore, i did post this on rccrapchat but you seem to have been removed.

Listen to what the racers want, if not, you wont last too long.

Steven.

[Robbiejuk]

What are the dimensions of the tarmac area? I can try and Cad some layouts up if you like.

[Neil Skull]

Originally Posted by Steveonamission

I could'nt agree more.

Sorry if this is going to come across as a bashing to what COULD be the best facility in the UK...

I had a discussion about the track at last rounds rug racers, and the track is POOR, it looks like a 5 year old built it. As Bob says build a permanent layout with decent curbing and apexs, it does not have to come down to the case of you can only race a single layout on it, im talking about such tracks as West London, Snetterton... those kinda layouts that will SUIT your facility, which are well thought out.

Everyone i spoke to agreed on the fact that you should look into the TITC track from the 2008 Worlds, which is no longer around anymore, i did post this on rccrapchat but you seem to have been removed.

Listen to what the racers want, if not, you wont last too long.

Steven.

You should have spoke to me I was at rugracers last round.

Snetterton is redundant now due to racers giving the owner too much grief.
what happened to the worlds track?

[Steveonamission]

Originally Posted by Neil Skull

You should have spoke to me I was at rugracers last round.

Snetterton is redundant now due to racers giving the owner too much grief.
what happened to the worlds track?

Sorry Neil, dont know your face unfortunatly.

Yeah i heard about Snetterton closing...but thought it was due to reconstruction of the entire site....

The worlds track to my limited knowledge was dug up for housing.

[dale]

I'm not quite sure how so many people at Rug Racers have seen the new layout and markings, since they only went down a week ago. Have they all been down in the past few days, or (more likely) are they talking about the old layout that was just made from drainpipes? Yes the old track markings were shit, but they're gone now, as are the people who requested them.

The new markings are fine, I've been practicing there with my touring car and it all works great. There are now curbs on the apexes like any proper on-road track. It's a good fun track to drive, doesn't damage cars anymore, and feels like a proper on-road track.

For TC, only one main layout will be used. The cut-throughs are only there to allow corporate stuff during the day; a beginner would take forever to get round the full layout and it would require too many marshalls, so they have the option of shortening the track, or splitting it into sections for different groups.

I think people who have never even driven a car round the track need to give it a try. It's open every day and late nights on Wednesdays, and there will be some racing starting to happen over the winter now the track is sorted.

Please note; I don't work for Moto Arena, I'm defending the place because it's a great RC venue that we can all benefit from.

[Neil Skull]

Originally Posted by Steveonamission

Sorry Neil, dont know your face unfortunatly.

Yeah i heard about Snetterton closing...but thought it was due to reconstruction of the entire site....

The worlds track to my limited knowledge was dug up for housing.

Hi Steve,

Make sure to come see me next time Malcom made a nice annnouncement when i arrived

I just need everyone to understand our hobby and the places to pursue our hobby are under threat. and i mean seriously underthreat, in my job i get to meet a lot of clubs chairman owners etc. There is a big lack of support from the racers at many venues, Crystal Palace could be saved but it needs the help of racers, Snetterton is too late i fear, there are some other clubs i wont mention as a lot are not public in the goings on.
There are a few clubs doing a fantastic job so its not all doom and gloom (Ardent for example) but they need support not knockers Ardent was not the perfect Venue in the beggining, but it's getting their over a period of time they are evolving into a fantastic facility, I have to say i have not been there yet but am going in a few weeks, its just from feedback from team guys and customers.
Motor-Arena is a different venue,Its primary focus is on pay and play and corporate events.
This means the track needs to be flexible to cope with every class of racing and standard, Therefore it will never be a permanent Touring car track nor of a standard thats difficult for Joe public to get around without crashing.
You need to know i have nothing to do with this facility and i was the biggest non believer since i heard about it in the early stages.
But now it is here and it should be used and welcomed for what it is and not slated for what it isnt.
A lot of the problems that was in place have been fixed and Matt is trying to give the racers a chance to come and have a play indoors on Tarmac.
That alone is a big plus!!!!
So please get behind every club you can, and if you want, talk in private with any you feel you could help in some way, I dont want to lose any more race facilities due to lack of support.

[Steveonamission]

Originally Posted by Neil Skull

So please get behind every club you can, and if you want, talk in private with any you feel you could help in some way, I dont want to lose any more race facilities due to lack of support.

And nore do i, i do as much racing that will allow around my university course, i actually cancelled my weekends plans to go and support Rug Racers modified to get the numbers up...

Hence it was merely just constructive critism for Moto Arena, i've been to Ardent myself but have'nt yet Moto Arena admitidly, but will support the BTCC there at the end of the month, all being well. Im just dissapointed with the track thats all from pictures and certain peoples comment (I also didnt say that i spoke to everyone at Rug Racers Dale, just everyone I spoke to, as in a few select people)

The facilities have had very very positive feedback and i still look forward to attending, but if the track is well thought out and designed, then racers will support it more, and being indoors we dont have to worry about the British weather, i just dont want the potential to go to waste.

Steve Fuller

[Johnny Wheels of Steel]

Originally Posted by Bob Burr

You need to stop trying to build a indoor carpet track NOW, which is what you are doing, multi layouts etc etc.
All (well nearly all) the proper outdoor tracks use 1 layout , Bedworth, Stafford, Aldershot, Halifax, W/L, Mendip, Broxtowe and sadly missed Ashby (probably the best track in its day), yes some have a few cut throughs but most are never used.
Drivers say they want alternatives but most dont, they want to know the time they did this week is quicker than last week because they were "well quicker !!" not because the track was different, it needs to look for all intense and purpose just like an outdoor track but indoors (140 drivers at nationals cant be wrong), they want to know know that the new car they have just purchased is quicker than the car they had 6 months ago and you only get that by using the same circuit over and over again.
may sound boring but it is not, that is the nature of on road (as aposed to off road) real circuits dont keep changing it from race to race.

You need a proper sweeper at the end of the straight (its too tight at present) bring the track at least 1 1/2 foot in from the bariers this gives room for marshals and also run off room (this should be a painted line with green between the line and barrier) and you need a twisty bit before the straight.

You have a great venue get it right, you have messed about enough ? sorry if the above sounds hard trying to help. I built Bedworth along with others so i am talking from experience.

[Paulnuneaton]

Nice place motto keep going the way you are going

[russmini]

Johnny, cracking 1st post....

Criticism is sometimes what is needed. It helps people realise where they may have gone wrong or what they could do to improve further.

Hopefully i'll get down soon Matt