Rule Change Idea - 'Numbers'

[Chris Doughty]

I would like your feedback on a rule I am thinking of proposing.

I am thinking everything would 'look' better and still provide the same function if the following rule was relaxed or changed a little

22.6 At BRCA Sanctioned events all cars must display 3 full sized BRCA issue numbers with one facing to the front and with one on each side in an upright position.

based on this rule

22.1 Cars entered for Off Road competitions will be reasonable representations of full size cars generally accepted as being suitable for Rallycross, Rallying, Trail and Desert races.

I would like to see cars with better looking race numbers on them, we don't see full size cars with numbers flapping and falling off them, or even covering the drivers window?

so I would like peoples feedback if the rule was relaxed to allow any type of number, or any type of number from a decided (or homologated) list

BRCA number would still be available for racers not wanting to use their own numbers

your thoughts please....

[ashleyb4]

It would be nice as i have to stick my numbers over my name i would like a small area where i could stick my own numbers but currently brca numbers are to big i think there should be a rule about minimum size numbers but i agree we should be able to use other numbers.

If you want to put it forward chris ill second it.


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[Chris Doughty]

I think it is important that the numbers are still clear to read for the ref's

that is why I thought about the idea of a list of aceptable numbers, homologation list of a sorts.

for example

BRCA
Proline
UpGradeRC
RACER

[ashleyb4]

I would preffer to get my own made in my own style not like funny font or unreadable colours but ones that would say something on them like xx4we on the bottom in small writing etc. Like there should be a rule where the lettering must be a certain size and of a colour that is readable like black dark blue dark red. Colours that wouldnt be aloud would be like yellow and light green etc.

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[Chrislong]

I agree Chris,
I think if we cut the current numbers down to a rectangle within the circular sticker they become a more sensible size, and still readable, so cutting (to a determined minimum size) should be allowed.

I also think the placement should not be over the windows, perhaps centre of wing and one on each side of the shell?

Fair enough, sponsors want the stickers there, but we could soon adapt our sponsor sticker placement to be suitable too?

So many of us now have our own colours, that the refs know who the car belongs to before the number is seen. The only confusing time is when somebody other than Jonesy has an Orange shell...

[ashleyb4]

Like before they are run they should be checked by paul worsley.

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[DCM]

Stickers on the wings end plates is easily identifiable I guess!! I don't like the big blob stickers but understand the need for identifiable numbers, I really used to like the old Corally ones, they were ace!!

[Lee]

Originally Posted by ashleyb4

Like before they are run they should be checked my paul worsley.

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Are you sure he is yours ash?

I agree on this one, the numbers are so far off scale right now they go up onto the roof of the cars

[emzy]

In 12th scale, its the norm to "mutilate" numbers, purely because they won't FIT on the shells.

Rectangles sound good to me - as long as there's a BIT of white background so the number is clearly distinguishable?

[jasonrcb]

how about using the numbers that oswestry had at this years regional still round but fitted easily onto the shell they have them made so why cant the brca have there numbers made by the same company problem solved

[bigred5765]

or give veryone a aloted number for the year with there new license, and then chance to get it painted on some were nice in agreed places

[ashleyb4]

yea jason they were alot smaller and a more suitable size but i would still like to see aftermarket numbers being aloud but i would preffer to cut the brca ones down but currently where not aloud to.

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[losixxx]

IMHO just leave it as it is, if everyones running diff style numbers it could be a nightmare for the ref or timekeep trying to count missed laps if transponder goes down.
unless you have ''another'' homologation list for numbers (which i think is crazy) then people could run any old tat. system as it works fine and if it aint broke dont fix it

[AndyM]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

or give veryone a aloted number for the year with there new license, and then chance to get it painted on some were nice in agreed places

i like that idea carl, like they do in F1, have a certain number determined by the posistion you qualified in the last year or sumthing.

just a thought

[Chris Doughty]

Originally Posted by losixxx

IMHO just leave it as it is, if everyones running diff style numbers it could be a nightmare for the ref or timekeep trying to count missed laps if transponder goes down.
unless you have ''another'' homologation list for numbers (which i think is crazy) then people could run any old tat. system as it works fine and if it aint broke dont fix it

playing devils advocate here,

but numbers falling off when wet and/or not sticking to shells is 'broke'

I don't really see why we can't have a homologation list for numbers, it allows people that take pride in their car to use good numbers on it. and it also stops people using any old tat.

simply have 1 of each example of the numbers stuck next to the scales or box. if the numbers are not 'allowed' then slap on some big BRCA ones as would normally done with cars with the 'wrong' number on them.

[losixxx]

Originally Posted by DoughtyUK.net

playing devils advocate here,

but numbers falling off when wet and/or not sticking to shells is 'broke'

I don't really see why we can't have a homologation list for numbers, it allows people that take pride in their car to use good numbers on it. and it also stops people using any old tat.

simply have 1 of each example of the numbers stuck next to the scales or box. if the numbers are not 'allowed' then slap on some big BRCA ones as would normally done with cars with the 'wrong' number on them.

that could work but it just another job for someone to sort and more work for the scrutaneers!
think the falling of this year has been down to the change of supplier for the race number for the BRCA. never had problem with the old 3 in a line type. in fact sometimes the buggers were a nightmare to peel off
i think the main problem would be visibility for the ref. as now everyone car looks the same

[ashleyb4]

I would like to see it where there isnt a homolagation list as thats going to get to the point where we can only use numbers we can buy i want to cut the number off the brcaa ones and just put it on my own white background so i think we should change the rule to allow us to cut out the brca numbers and use after market number aswell is you wish to. I want to put a little white bit behind my window on both cars where i can just cut out the number and stick it on there.

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[woOdy]

Sorry guys for changing the rule but I have one I would like to change. ITs the one about leaving the rostrum before the race finishes. Right now they get a penelty for that round they have left the rostrum but if you think about it' why are they leaving the rostrum in the first place?' It should be off the FTD.

[Reevsey]

As Chris has mentioned

"I think if we cut the current numbers down to a rectangle within the circular sticker they become a more sensible size, and still readable, so cutting (to a determined minimum size) should be allowed."

May have a simple solution.......Why do we not just ask the BRCA to change the shape of the stickers to rectangle from round? If the number size stays the same would that not work?

[ashleyb4]

I think the driver should be able to leave the rostrum as i would preffer him out of the way as it puts me off with drivers walking about behind me. And them kicking the raillings when they break it lol

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