Lazer ZXr / s ?

[chrisbryan800]

Hello folks!, I'm new to this forum, and wondered if I could ask some advice.

I have recently purchased what i'm sure of is a kyosho lazer zxr/s In fact having examined all the exploded views I can on-line i'm happy i've identified the car. However I have a feeling it is something of a combination of the two.

It has a full carbon chassis, gold shocks, white nylon front gearbox and a blue spur gear mount.

It is in very good condition and I intend get it up and running with the few parts I need further to complete. I also wish to race the car, but haven't been involved in rc racing since the early 90's when I used to go and watch, but could never afford!!

Is this car capable of keeping up with modern kits?, I am only a begginer so I figure the car might outweigh my skills for a reasonable length of time anyway?, or do you think i'd be best selling on ebay and buying an alternative modern kit?

Also does the Lazer ZX 5 Body shell fit the ZXR??, if so figured that might be a way of making it look a little more modern (a sheep in wof clothing)

Any comment would be welcomed

[markwilliamson2001]

I doubt the ZX-5 shell will fit your Lazer ZX-R, but you can still get the old shells for the ZX-R off ebay. I think the company is called camtec, but you might want to check this.

Mark

[chrisbryan800]

Cheers Mark, i'll take a look!

[Scoobster]

As far as i know Kamtec don't do ZX-R repro shells they do optima mid etc but not the Lazer, used shells do come up on e-bay from time to time but new shells are very rare and if you do find one you will pay quite a bit for one. There's a guy down under who does repros of the Lazer ZX shell which will fit the ZX-R and he sells on e-bay sometimes.

Might be worth posting some pics as the ZX-R and ZX-S are quite different but from what you have said in your post sounds more like a ZX-R which came with the gold shocks and the white front gearbox was an up-grade for them back in the day

[terry.sc]

There isn't a Lazer ZXR/S. It's definitely a Lazer ZX or ZX-R, the ZX-S is quite a different beast. A picture would identify exactly which version it is.

Good cars, they are perfect to get you going and more than capable at club level. The nylon front gearbox solves the real achilles heel of the car, the other is the wishbone mounts which I suspect will have been replaced with alloy mounts already. It will handle any modern motor you throw at it.
Most of the spares are still available to order from Time Tunnel Models and Ben racing.

Modern high end buggies do have some advantages, such as much more adjustability, but most of these advantages will make no difference to you until your driving improves. They are good solid cars that can take a beating, a modern 4wd will be lighter but won't take the beating of a beginner like the ZX-R. Once you get the hang of racing you will then have a better idea what you want to upgrade to.

Bodies for the Lazer ZX-R aren't available. For bodies Kamtec do the Optima Mid Custom body which can be made to fit, for the ZX body see here http://www.tamiyaclub.com/trades_model.asp?cid=48650

[HKP]

A ZXRS does kind of exist! I built one using the best parts of the ZXR and the ZXS.

It's quite different from this now as i refined the concept further with wider rear wing, teamline hubs, losi shocks, lowered CoG rear wing mount and more titanium. I'm actually quicker with this car than my TRF501X.. It's a very forgiving car to drive and light enough to be quick.

[terry.sc]

Originally Posted by tomstacey

A ZXRS does kind of exist! I built one using the best parts of the ZXR and the ZXS.

It's still just a hopped up ZX-R. Fibrelyte parts, Super 10 steering, ZX5 rear uprights, apart from the body which parts are ZX-S?

[chrisbryan800]

Hey tomstacey, the car you have looks nice, the chassis looks exactly the same as the one i've, bought. Can you tell me which bodyshell you have and where I could order it!

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by chrisbryan800

Hey tomstacey, the car you have looks nice, the chassis looks exactly the same as the one i've, bought. Can you tell me which bodyshell you have and where I could order it!

Firstly, Terry the chassis is based on a ZX-S as well as the shock towers and steering, hence why its nicknamed a ZXRS. It also is a vast improvement on the original design in and out of corners. Yes basically its a ZX or ZXR but the weight distribution is better and more balanced.

Funny isnt it that you said nothing from toms car is from a ZXS, mmm blue steering (standard in the ZXS kit, as well as a super 10), diffs (standard in the ZXS kit), Rear upright hubs (standard in the kit, and much older than the ZX5 or ultima RB5 type R - I also owned one of them), ZXRR hyper clutch slipper system and layshafts and layshaft gears (all standard in the ZXS kit). Bearings, steering poles, Ujs, UJ wheel adapters, front hub, Wheels, wishbones, shocks (the same as what the the ZX5 is using) this is pointless, as a lot of the kit actually comes from the ZX and ZXR cars to make the ZXS. But as you dont have one I suppose you wouldnt know.

Chris, bodyshell will be available soon when I give the original shell and undertray to the below bodyshell company to copy. Its going out in the post this weekend. I am also having one made by Fibre shell but this is only the undertray but if you are using your car would recommend buying one as it will take more punishment. Anyway look at this web site for all the information you will ever need on the ZX/ZXR.

http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/s...&pp=25&page=43

I think page 43 says this site is what you will need for the LWB Optima shell, but hold fire on buying it as they will also be doing the ZXS shell as they are making a mold for it over the next month.i would recommend you reading from say page 10 or so onwards as the information there will be helpful to you, as Terry, Tom, myself and a lot of other guys have put our knowledge into helping out all who own one of these cars. Any probs PM me and I will try and help. Hope this helps.

http://www.kamtec.co.uk/products.php...=99&prod_cat=3

Oh yes one more thing, it will be just as competitive as all the new cars out there, so dont believe people when they say its old and rubbish, the car has made the worlds A final and won a euros A final as well as the UK nationals so definately has a racing pedigree.

[HKP]

Ahhh.. we're all one big happy Lazer family! tbh. terry, thos pics above are pretty old now. I have bodged on a lot more ZXS parts now and improved the car even more. It's quite a labour of love really and to most of the folks here, probably utterly pointless!! But my first love is vintage cars especially NOT box stock ones

[terry.sc]

Ho hum. The point is James that there is no Kyosho made Lazer ZXR/S, which is what Chris thought his car was.
The only ones known as ZXR/S are yours and Toms, if you want to call them ZXR/S thats fine just don't refer to it as an official title. In a similar way comparing the differences between a Turbo Mid and standard Mid if I fit the upgrade Lazer ZX grp shock mounts, anti roll bars and UJs to a Lazer ZX does that make it a Turbo ZX? No, because Kyosho never made one, just like Kyosho never made a Lazer ZXR/S.

As you say I don't have one, so what? I couldn't afford a ZXS back then and can't afford one now, but because I don't have as big a wallet as you doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. Did you not notice the smileys in mine and Toms posts? We are just having a laugh, the comments were made from both of us with tongue firmly in cheek.

Regarding bodies I also already have a large lump of modified ZXS shaped tooling resin in the workshop and an uncut ZX-R shell and undertray as well for future use. Just trying to find time to finish them off as I have to find time off work to organise a visit to my local vacformer to set them up for moulding.

[HKP]

Apols if I misled Chris there.. The ZXR/S is purely a concept made for a laugh on the RCZone forums.. Now on the subject of the Lazer... what do we all think about the Worlds Car shown in Jimmy's report? A BJ5? Lazer D5?

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by terry.sc

Ho hum. The point is James that there is no Kyosho made Lazer ZXR/S, which is what Chris thought his car was.
The only ones known as ZXR/S are yours and Toms, if you want to call them ZXR/S thats fine just don't refer to it as an official title. In a similar way comparing the differences between a Turbo Mid and standard Mid if I fit the upgrade Lazer ZX grp shock mounts, anti roll bars and UJs to a Lazer ZX does that make it a Turbo ZX? No, because Kyosho never made one, just like Kyosho never made a Lazer ZXR/S.

As you say I don't have one, so what? I couldn't afford a ZXS back then and can't afford one now, but because I don't have as big a wallet as you doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. Did you not notice the smileys in mine and Toms posts? We are just having a laugh, the comments were made from both of us with tongue firmly in cheek.

Regarding bodies I also already have a large lump of modified ZXS shaped tooling resin in the workshop and an uncut ZX-R shell and undertray as well for future use. Just trying to find time to finish them off as I have to find time off work to organise a visit to my local vacformer to set them up for moulding.

Not a problem, we were kindof taking the mickey with the name as it kindof was a nicknamed the ZXRS as I stated earlier, its just a nickname, it was also stated on the other site as well that I named certain items with fibrelyte and it kindof got it kicked off. For the newbie who has a nice car already it is as you stated a ZX or ZXR mk one all depending on the layshaft and slipper.

So you have managed to get going and do the molds, WOW!!! I know you said that it was going to be a while but its coming along a lot quicker than you thought. So we have a master of molds in our presence, and I am absolutely uselesss with that kindof thing. Still we will all be able to get a shell whenever we want soon from the link above or you\as well as stronger undertrays which I will post as soon as I have one here (soon).

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by tomstacey

Apols if I misled Chris there.. The ZXR/S is purely a concept made for a laugh on the RCZone forums.. Now on the subject of the Lazer... what do we all think about the Worlds Car shown in Jimmy's report? A BJ5? Lazer D5?

Is this the Serpent car? that i am curious about.

Tom also my MIP car is coming along fine as I finally got a CF flat chassis from the US so will look well nice when the new parts arrive.

[HKP]

No I meant the Proto Lazer ZX5 that looks similar to the HB D4 or BJ4/B44