db-01 vs 501x/511

[fastinfastout]

I've had a 501x in the past and loved it, dont know why I sold it, but anyway its gone.

I bought recently a 2nd hand db-01, basically to use as a spare parts car for a possible future purchase of a db-01r.

At the moment, my db-01 has got nothing on my previous 501x in terms of handling and driving!

I'm thinking of getting a 511 instead of a db-01r. The db-01r still needs attention in the drive train before it can be reliably used. The db-01r does have a better sealed transmission, but its still not 100% as grit can still get in between the gearbox and outdrives.

So the pro drivers from yokomo drive their buget car bmax, so why dont tamiya team drivers use the db-01?

is there anyone else who has owned db-01's, 501x's or 511's make some sort of comparison?

[T4miy4 Guy]

Originally Posted by fastinfastout

I've had a 501x in the past and loved it, dont know why I sold it, but anyway its gone.

I bought recently a 2nd hand db-01, basically to use as a spare parts car for a possible future purchase of a db-01r.

At the moment, my db-01 has got nothing on my previous 501x in terms of handling and driving!

I'm thinking of getting a 511 instead of a db-01r. The db-01r still needs attention in the drive train before it can be reliably used. The db-01r does have a better sealed transmission, but its still not 100% as grit can still get in between the gearbox and outdrives.

So the pro drivers from yokomo drive their buget car bmax, so why dont tamiya team drivers use the db-01?

is there anyone else who has owned db-01's, 501x's or 511's make some sort of comparison?

I race a DB-01 which i have hopped up beyond a DB-01R specification

Yes the DB-01R in my opinon still needs some attention / hop ups but would be a very good racing buggy as long as you carry out maintenance on the diffs etc but you would have to carry out these tasks on any racing buggy you purchased i reckon.

As for the fact of why don`t Tamiya drivers use a DB-01 (standard) because its s**t as standard

I would definately get a DB-01R and do the few upgrades need and then you will have one tough,reliable awesome buggy, some might disagree but each too there own.

Andy

[sosidge]

Well, I've owned a hopped-up DB01, and driven a couple of TRFs. I've also run the "budget" B-MAX4.

My opinion is that if you have the funds - get the TRF out of the two Tamiyas. You'll have no regrets.

The TRF cars always felt that little bit more "precise" than the DB01.

Two obvious drawbacks with the DB01 is the shock towers (which are unsuitably sized for TRF shocks - OK there is a "fix" by using an aftermarket tower but it would be better if the towers were right out of the box.), and the battery placement (no fix for that). Compared to the TRF, the DB01 battery is all along one side and sits a lot further away from the centre.

The benefit of the TRF rear-saddle design it that there are very even corner weights on both rear tyres which gives the car more confident traction.

The TRF is also more adjustable and maybe a bit more robust too.

(PS I much preferred the B-MAX4 - but parts support was a big letdown)

[fastinfastout]

parts support for the yokomo is a let down, and I have to get my parts from japan. The bmax, which I currently have is fantastic, however im having an itch for another tamiya, as I grew up with tamiya cars.

come to think of it, I think the trf511 is the tamiya car to have. The db01r, as good as it is, will/may one day not be good enough to go head to head with the best of the 4 wheelers!

[T4miy4 Guy]

Originally Posted by sosidge

Well, I've owned a hopped-up DB01, and driven a couple of TRFs. I've also run the "budget" B-MAX4.

My opinion is that if you have the funds - get the TRF out of the two Tamiyas. You'll have no regrets.

The TRF cars always felt that little bit more "precise" than the DB01.

Two obvious drawbacks with the DB01 is the shock towers (which are unsuitably sized for TRF shocks - OK there is a "fix" by using an aftermarket tower but it would be better if the towers were right out of the box.), and the battery placement (no fix for that). Compared to the TRF, the DB01 battery is all along one side and sits a lot further away from the centre.

The benefit of the TRF rear-saddle design it that there are very even corner weights on both rear tyres which gives the car more confident traction.

The TRF is also more adjustable and maybe a bit more robust too.

(PS I much preferred the B-MAX4 - but parts support was a big letdown)

You don`t have to use an after market tower, a simple o-ring mod in the rear shock is sufficent.

I think tho you can`t really compare a DB-01 to a trf501/511, you should be comparing the DB-01R

Like i said tho each too there own, and it looks like you`ve made your mind up any road.

Good luck

Andy

[sosidge]

Originally Posted by T4miy4 Guy

You don`t have to use an after market tower, a simple o-ring mod in the rear shock is sufficent.

The problem is not extension - it's compression. The shocks will bottom out before the chassis reaches the ground.

[T4miy4 Guy]

Originally Posted by sosidge

The problem is not extension - it's compression. The shocks will bottom out before the chassis reaches the ground.

Sorry but i didn`t have this issue

[jhammond]

I think the two TRF models win hands-down in terms of specification and handling. However the DB01-R does have it's place as a good option for those people on a budget. After all, Tamiya is well known for it's quality.


Julius.

[pugs]

The db01 will have less corner speed than the 501x and the 501x has less corner speed than the 511 and that is the only big difference between all those, from a serious racing point of view the 511 is the one to have but they are all capable cars at any level, but you will need to spend a bit extra on better shocks etc..for the db01, so why not just buy a 511 and you won't have to buy anything extra, apart from a bodyshell.

[peetbee]

Originally Posted by pugs

The db01 will have less corner speed than the 501x .

Could you explain this more please? I'm genuinely interested. Thanks

[pugs]

Originally Posted by peetbee

Could you explain this more please? I'm genuinely interested. Thanks

Well it's a cheaper model and with tamiya's the only real difference is the corner speed between an expensive model and an entry level model not sure why....maybe chassis layout? more flex in the plastic parts? I've raced both the 501x and the 511 and the 511 does have more corner speed than the 501x and I know people who started with a durga and then went to the 501x and agreed with this, so I'am not really sure why it is but try it yourself if you are quite expierenced and you will find the same

[peetbee]

If it's layout then fair enough, guess I was hoping for a more technical explanation!

[chokoboy]

Originally Posted by peetbee

Could you explain this more please? I'm genuinely interested. Thanks

i tought it had something to do with caster degrees on the front hubs.
For the 501x/511 u have the 10&12 degree front hubs, dont know how many degrees the db01 have!

[T4miy4 Guy]

Originally Posted by peetbee

If it's layout then fair enough, guess I was hoping for a more technical explanation!

Think wind direction my be a factor tho

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Originally Posted by chokoboy

i tought it had something to do with caster degrees on the front hubs.
For the 501x/511 u have the 10&12 degree front hubs, dont know how many degrees the db01 have!

I think it also has 10 degrees. You can also use the alu caster blocks on DB01.

[MRD]

I run a fully hopped up 501WE and a Fully hopped up DB01 with the atomic towers, 501 diffs, full carbon plastics, ect so its as near to the 501 as you can get and so far its cost me more than the 501 which doesn't seem to make much sense, BUT even tho theyre set up very similar with identical electrics they drive differently which is good. On a very slippy surface the DB01 was more neutral and forgiving but the 501 is much more precise. Its great to turn up to a meeting and throw both cars down and see which one has the best starting setup then work from there.

I wouldn't recomend spending as much as I have on a DB-01 but the end result is very good. I'm gonna wait for the 511 Worlds as the normal 511 seems a bit low rent for the money compared to the 501WE even tho its probably a better car.

[T4miy4 Guy]

Originally Posted by MRD

I run a fully hopped up 501WE and a Fully hopped up DB01 with the atomic towers, 501 diffs, full carbon plastics, ect so its as near to the 501 as you can get and so far its cost me more than the 501 which doesn't seem to make much sense, BUT even tho theyre set up very similar with identical electrics they drive differently which is good. On a very slippy surface the DB01 was more neutral and forgiving but the 501 is much more precise. Its great to turn up to a meeting and throw both cars down and see which one has the best starting setup then work from there.

I wouldn't recomend spending as much as I have on a DB-01 but the end result is very good. I'm gonna wait for the 511 Worlds as the normal 511 seems a bit low rent for the money compared to the 501WE even tho its probably a better car.

Very true ! cost me a small fortune but well happy with the results

Andy

[shanks]

Originally Posted by T4miy4 Guy

Very true ! cost me a small fortune but well happy with the results

Andy

yea I have seen andys Durga it goes fairly well

he did have a good run at bury once or twice but it was wet and he had a very soft set-up which of course worked well

in all think it gave him un-justified high hopes!!!!!

See you indoors Sunday and we will see what happens then !!!!

[fastinfastout]

Originally Posted by MRD

I'm gonna wait for the 511 Worlds as the normal 511 seems a bit low rent for the money compared to the 501WE even tho its probably a better car.

I dont think there will be a 'worlds 511', as tamiya pulled out of the worlds, along with every other manufacturer at the south africa worlds. Besides, the 511 has all the good bits on it anyway.

[T4miy4 Guy]

Originally Posted by shanks

yea I have seen andys Durga it goes fairly well

he did have a good run at bury once or twice but it was wet and he had a very soft set-up which of course worked well

in all think it gave him un-justified high hopes!!!!!

See you indoors Sunday and we will see what happens then !!!!

Un-justified high hopes ..... my left bollock

we will see !