X6 shocks Losi or associated?

[Steve.T]

Which are the best shocks to use for an X6, losi or associated?

[usafaircrew]

Both work fine. I use Losi because I have been building them a lot longer. They are what I am used to. The Associated shocks work great. I just hate how you have to pop those seals in place.

[stikkan1]

I use asso shocks, they work fine.
I belive you need losi bk2 driveshaft if u use losi shocks.

[YoungChazz]

Changing from AE to Losi shocks, or vice versa, is an expensive proposition if you don't already have them. But Losi pistons will fit in the AE shocks and of course you can use Losi oil. Those are two things you can change that are relatively cheap. I think the Losi springs will fit on the AE shock too, but am not sure about that; the sprigns are cheap too.

So you don't have to spend all the money for completely new shocks if AE is what you've got. Just Losify them! LOL

In our experience, you can win with either. Like my favorite gunner says, it's really a matter of preferance.

[migsy]

you will need to change the spring seat so the spring does not move.

[caneye]

why not kyosho shocks?
i thought i read somewhere that BK uses them

[migsy]

Originally Posted by caneye

why not kyosho shocks?
i thought i read somewhere that BK uses them

i always thought losi was losi and assoc were assoc!

losi springs dont seat very well on assoc shock bodys and you also need to change the bottom shoe so they seat perfect. this is because losi have a bigger inner-diam.

[usafaircrew]

At the Clash, BK had Kyosho shocks on his cars. I like their 1/8 scale shocks. I have no experience with their 1/10 shocks. If they are anything like the 1/8 shocks then they are very good.

[millzy]

if it was my choice ( i dont run an x6 i have a b4)

i would run b4 shocks - as there is no way in this world you can tell me that Cliff Lett designed the front of the b4 so it would work on losi shocks

same for the rear- the x6 runs copy wishdones and the inner hingpink angle and distance apart is the same as the b4 - so why try and run shocks that where not designed for the car.

If AE bring out there own mid motor 2wd car it will have AE shock on it run AE pistons and AE springs

have a look at the new losi mid motor car- it runs losi shocks why because thats what the designers of the xxxcr designed it with


just my 2p

[migsy]

well said chris, i could'nt put it any better than that.

[Paul_Sinclair]

Originally Posted by millzy

same for the rear- the x6 runs copy wishdones and the inner hingpink angle and distance apart is the same as the b4 - so why try and run shocks that where not designed for the car.

Actually Millzy, the rear end of the X - 6 has a much wider pivot than the B4, with shorter arms to help keep the width correct. We didn't want super-short arms, though, so the the hub is a tiny bit further out than on a B4. That combined with the variable-height transmission is why most run the #5660 longer cvd axles.

I would also argue that all rc shocks are coil-over emulsion-dampened shocks, and thus fairly similar. There are slight differences in on-track performance, mostly due to the different pistons of the various manufacturers, but they'll all do a great job in the right hands. Now, there are vast differences in how easily each shock builds and how long they last; those are more subjective measurements though and why various drivers might prefer one shock over another.

[bigred5765]

that and the fact that if your running different shocks on the same car to everyone else,your also without help in the set up department,

[millzy]

Originally Posted by Paul_Sinclair

Actually Millzy, the rear end of the X - 6 has a much wider pivot than the B4, with shorter arms to help keep the width correct. We didn't want super-short arms, though, so the the hub is a tiny bit further out than on a B4. That combined with the variable-height transmission is why most run the #5660 longer cvd axles.

your right on the wishbone- well you should be you designed the car
did greg run b4 rear a arms on the prototype? is that where im getting copy design mix up

one thing
i thought the longer cvds axles where for the "bumpy uk tracks" and where an option hence why you dont put them in the kits as standard?

im with you on the shocks will all the do the same thing in the right hands

[Paul_Sinclair]

We did run B4 rear arms on the first X - 6 prototypes. We kept snapping hinge pins though because the design required a very long inner rear hinge pin, and even with a solid long spacer on the pin it would shear right where the front of the arm was. Once we decided we would need to mold our own arms in order to suppor the whole hinge pin, we had the opportunity to make the rear pivot wider and gain some stability in the rear. This change, along with moving the motor back 9/64" (as far as we could), led to the second round of prototyping. From that point forward we ran with our own machined-delrin arms. I still have some laying around somewhere, in fact...


As for the axles, there's a variety of reasons they sell more/are needed more in the UK compared to elsewhere. Most of you guys, with Ellis' lead, run more droop than we do (I almost always have .090" inside my rear shocks) and also run the transmission all the way down (again, most of us run at .060" or so). I have the longer axles in my car - so I can run the extra droop if I need to - but only have them shimmed in .060" or so, which is about the amount of moving the spacers in on a regular B4 cvd axle.

[Lee]

Originally Posted by millzy

if it was my choice ( i dont run an x6 i have a b4)

i would run b4 shocks - as there is no way in this world you can tell me that Cliff Lett designed the front of the b4 so it would work on losi shocks

same for the rear- the x6 runs copy wishdones and the inner hingpink angle and distance apart is the same as the b4 - so why try and run shocks that where not designed for the car.

If AE bring out there own mid motor 2wd car it will have AE shock on it run AE pistons and AE springs

have a look at the new losi mid motor car- it runs losi shocks why because thats what the designers of the xxxcr designed it with


just my 2p

Maybe Ellis and Phil are just giving everyone a chance at the Nationals then, imagine how much further a head they would be if they used shocks that were designed for the car.

[Steve.T]

Thanks for the help guys, I've opted for the associated shocks as I needed the losi ones to go on the X5 I am selling

[mark christopher]

i run associated shocks on mine, with associated springs and losi pistons, i can copy oil and spring rates to team drivers and im chuffed to bits with the car


is the "new losi" not just an AC conversion?

[ashleyb4]

I was wondering the same?

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[Lee]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

is the "new losi" not just an AC conversion?

Yes it is

[millzy]

that the losi team are now all runnig

but yes it is a conversion- a losi conversion that runs losi shocks

id like to see a top family driver run on ae shocks and give the people who buy the kits and run AE shocks a good set up that they could run knowing it got driver X into the top 5 at a national and that driver x spent time on the set up and shocks