Old X6

[Spencer Mulcahy]

I noticed on 2wdrc that they are selling off old X6s ready for the new one, does this mean that spares for the old one are going to stop being made.

[General Accident]

Hope not as I've only just started to put my (already obsolete) one together. I know the most common breakages are all B4 bits (front arms / tower etc) but I don't really want to be fretting about busting a rear arm / wing mount or (eeek) a chassis every time I race.

[Big E]

The new arms will fit the old car so don't worry about that.

However if you break a chassis..................

[Spencer Mulcahy]

If you use the new wishbones you will have to get the new shock tower so that all the geometry is right wont you.?

[MikePimlott]

and nose piece's.

[Big E]

Originally Posted by Spencer Mulcahy

If you use the new wishbones you will have to get the new shock tower so that all the geometry is right wont you.?

Ideally yeah.

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Thanks for the reply Ellis.

[Darren Boyle]

ALL the old parts that are no longer required ARE now discontinued (ie we are not "making" any more, only using up what we have left already) but dont worry too much since we still have good stocks of all the old bits here in the UK and there is also some hefty stock in the USA at the factory too.

As Ellis has said already, if you break a wishbone, the new ones will fit ("ideally" with the new tower too to keep the geometry correct) IF a chassis (or nosepiece) were to break the new chassis will fit, but you would need extra parts too (servo mounting, battery strap/mountings and rear hinge pin bushings) but it is NEVER a ludicrous cost (compared to the original parts) to change/upgrade your car from old spec to new as breakages occurr. At NO point is the old car rendered useless if somthing breaks, the new parts will carry across all of the time.... (dont forget thos ONLY applied when both we "UK" and the Factory in the USA have both run out altogether, which will be a while yet!!!)

A full list of the "discontinued" parts is being uploaded to the X-factory UK website this evening (any description with "disc" after the product denotes a discontinued line - just type disc in our search to see them all)

[YoungChazz]

We will continue to have parts for the original X - 6 for sale as long as stocks remain, and I think many of the Dealer Family will have them too.

We have a decent supply of #1002 nosepieces and #3010 control arms, the X Factory parts which break most frequently. The General Accident (Are there several Colonel Accidents who report to him?) is correct that most breakages are the AE front end stuff.

We have only a few #3311 shock towers and #1001 chassies remaining so, if you want to continue campaigning the original X - 6, you might want to pick up a spare now. I think there is inventory of those parts in the Dealer Family too

Finally, we and the Dealers still have small stocks of the #8009 original body for those who still like that swept-back look.

And, Ellis is, as always, right on. The Squared arms and tower do fit, and should be replaced at first in tandem.

[SHY]

Originally Posted by Big E

The new arms will fit the old car so don't worry about that.

However if you break a chassis..................

New rear arms? How are they different? And what's the idea behind the new geometry?

[CCristo]

The new arms are interchangable left to right.

[Cooper]

which means they are flat and don't have the hump.

[strobe]

And, Ellis is, as always, right on. The Squared arms and tower do fit, and should be replaced at first in tandem.[/quote]

Could you do these 2 items as a tandem pack.
Original X6 owners may not have the Funds to purchase a new Squared version kit.

[YoungChazz]

The primary advantages to the X - 6 Squared are quality and better design. Take a look at an X - 60 and tell me: Would you rather have that chassis or the original X - 6? Would you rather have that battery strap or the new CF one? Do you prefer to install the nose piece or do you like the one-piece chassis? Do you really like drilling and counter-sinking holes to mount your servo? Do you prefer the bottom covers or the brass bushing?

Then ask yourself this question: If I were a manufacturer of R/C cars, and if I were making both the X - 6 and the X - 60, and if I could turn the X - 60 into a buggy which would be far better quality at reasonable cost, would I continue to sell the original X - 6? If I were a very small young company and had just spent a ton of money to significantly upgrade the quality of one product, whould I want to continue selling another lower-quality product? Because the fact is, that when you put the original X - 6 alongside the X - 6 Squared, nobody will buy the original unless the price is reduced substantially, which it is.

Does that mean the original X - 6 is a bad car? No!

Does that mean the original X - 6 is slow? No!

Does that mean you can't win with an original X - 6? No!

The suspension geometry of the X - 6 Squared is identical to the original X - 6 but we have improved on it with additional down travel. The new car has fewer parts to assemble and is lighter but stronger.

The mold for #3010 control arms needs much work before it can be used again. Everybody has seen the flashing on the arms. And because of the way it was made, that mold costs twice as much to run and will never produce arms the quality of the #3012 X - 6 Squared arms. We spent about the same amount on the new tool as we would have to re-furbish the old one and got far better arms. You have to like that.

We worked hard to keep the performance of the two cars identical. The Squared is lighter, but with LiPo both cars need ballast to make weight, so even the weight as raced is identical.

What's different is quality of the parts, and fewer parts = easier to build and maintain. X Factory has finally moved to the very top of R/C quality, and that's not P/R B.S. In fact, with our chief competitors now built is China, X Factory is probably the best quality 1/10 off-road car you can buy.

X Factory parts rarely break. The AE parts break all the time...

And X Factory continues to be the fastest easiest-to-drive cars out there.

Period.

[Cooper]

*can be deleted*

[SHY]

Sounds good Chazz!

Btw are your ambitions on a long term to make & sell complete cars? Or is your philosophy to stick to conversion kits?

[Paul_Sinclair]

Originally Posted by YoungChazz

The suspension geometry of the X - 6 Squared is identical to the original X - 6 but we have improved on it with additional down travel.

actually, its additional UP travel. Just want to make sure no one's confused.

[YoungChazz]

Shy, we've got to get the Squared shipped and out there, then we've got several more new things immediately in the pipeline. Then a big racing season, March through October.

Then, maybe we can catch our breath for a moment, and after the heart rate comes back to something within 20% of normal, we'll look at the next major project.

[grelland]

Originally Posted by YoungChazz

The primary advantages to the X - 6 Squared are quality and better design. Take a look at an X - 60 and tell me: Would you rather have that chassis or the original X - 6? Would you rather have that battery strap or the new CF one? Do you prefer to install the nose piece or do you like the one-piece chassis? Do you really like drilling and counter-sinking holes to mount your servo? Do you prefer the bottom covers or the brass bushing?

Then ask yourself this question: If I were a manufacturer of R/C cars, and if I were making both the X - 6 and the X - 60, and if I could turn the X - 60 into a buggy which would be far better quality at reasonable cost, would I continue to sell the original X - 6? If I were a very small young company and had just spent a ton of money to significantly upgrade the quality of one product, whould I want to continue selling another lower-quality product? Because the fact is, that when you put the original X - 6 alongside the X - 6 Squared, nobody will buy the original unless the price is reduced substantially, which it is.

Does that mean the original X - 6 is a bad car? No!

Does that mean the original X - 6 is slow? No!

Does that mean you can't win with an original X - 6? No!

The suspension geometry of the X - 6 Squared is identical to the original X - 6 but we have improved on it with additional down travel. The new car has fewer parts to assemble and is lighter but stronger.

The mold for #3010 control arms needs much work before it can be used again. Everybody has seen the flashing on the arms. And because of the way it was made, that mold costs twice as much to run and will never produce arms the quality of the #3012 X - 6 Squared arms. We spent about the same amount on the new tool as we would have to re-furbish the old one and got far better arms. You have to like that.

We worked hard to keep the performance of the two cars identical. The Squared is lighter, but with LiPo both cars need ballast to make weight, so even the weight as raced is identical.

What's different is quality of the parts, and fewer parts = easier to build and maintain. X Factory has finally moved to the very top of R/C quality, and that's not P/R B.S. In fact, with our chief competitors now built is China, X Factory is probably the best quality 1/10 off-road car you can buy.

X Factory parts rarely break. The AE parts break all the time...

And X Factory continues to be the fastest easiest-to-drive cars out there.

Period.

Dear YoungChazz

You probably dont know me, but I am a veteran racer from Norway, not really a top notch driver, but I have managed a few podium finishes over my 25-year career

I am relatively new to the 2-wd buggy scene, since I first retired in that class some 15 years ago, but I must start off by giving you credit for being a small manufacturer that focuses on niche products and racing applications more than high volumes and high profit. Also participating in discussions like these gives you a lot of credit im my book.

Lately, I have followed the "trend" towards mid-mounted motors in 2wd, and can just say that I fully appreciate the thinking behind this, partly also because I am quite into full scale aircooled VW's and I have some scary personal experience of what happens whan you start approachin the limits of the same design shorfalls as the "classic" 2wd buggies.

But then to my point...

I find it a little odd, that you use the fact that your competition is manufacturing their parts in China as a sole argument that yours are better... I do have some experiece from my proffessional life in outsourcing manufacturing, and most of the time it is a combination of design, specifications/instruction, and last but not least quality control and surveillance that really dictates the quality of a part, not the location of the factory...

It might be that in the US, you can use "Made in the US" as a quality stamp, but here in Europe, I am afraid you underestimate the competence of your customers by making that simplification. Take the US auto industry, for instance, its reputation here in Europe is that of low quality and old/outdated technology... (I hate to be the one braking that to you.. )

The last few weeks I have been planning what to do for the 2009 season when it comes to chassis selection, and I must say that this post unfortunately made a conversion to the X-6 squared less likely...

Look at it from a customer's perspective: The B4 is still a very good car, it keeps winning races, and the X6 has not revolutionalized the world of 2wd racing. B4's are still winning... I can see the benefits of your design, and for a racer of my skills, and the state of the tracks here in Nowray, I think I personally could benefit from the better stability, but it is a costly upgrade, almost the same price as the B4 itself, and when you start making statements like these:,

"X Factory parts rarely break. The AE parts break all the time...

And X Factory continues to be the fastest easiest-to-drive cars out there.

Period."

I start to think whether this really IS the PR BS you claim ot is not...

As a manufacturer, you should focus on improving your own design, and provide good and accurate information on those products, and not spend your time talking down on you competition, especially not the company that supplies the most wining car out there, and the very same car that I as a customer need to buy first to utilise your products.

[JustARcFan]

SO you also know that associated has been bought out by thunder tiger and the quality is not like before???