DEX210 terrible in the Wet!!! Help please :)

[RichyUK]

Hi guys,

i've taken up racing again after about 18 years away from it! Started with my DEX410 and am getting on very well. I have also purchased a 210 to get into 2WD as well as 4WD. This is new to me as i never raced 2wd when i was younger.

So, i purchased a lovely 210 off of here, it had a few mods, such as the cream front end, i've also got around 25g weight under the servo (maybe this is an issue??). Its running MM4 config, pretty much all else as should be and set up using a set up sheet for Eden Park from the Durango site.

So, in the dry the car is fantastic, i feel very confortable pushing it, but as soon as the track gets a bit wet its a nightmare. This is mainly on Astroturf. The car will understear when trying to power a little and then just lose the back end in an instant.

My first time out it was wet all day, and i found i have the ESC set up wrong, far too punchy, and no expo on the throttle. Now ive sorted them, using expo has made it MUCH nicer to drive when wet, but i just cannot push at all. I can put in OK times, but i lose way too much time to people that i was matching in the dry.

What can i do to help in this situation please??

[SamRCRacing]

What tyres did you have on the rear?

[Chris-S]

Current setup ?

[Si Coe]

I think you'll find its not really as bad as it looks.
Most 2wds are hard work when its wet - the issue with the 210 is that in the dry it seems so balanced and effortless that the wet weather handling comes as a shock!

[RichyUK]

Originally Posted by SamRCRacing

What tyres did you have on the rear?

Schu yellows in dry, greens in wet, medium inserts.

Originally Posted by Chris-S

Current setup ?

will double check against the set up sheet i used

Originally Posted by Si Coe

I think you'll find its not really as bad as it looks.
Most 2wds are hard work when its wet - the issue with the 210 is that in the dry it seems so balanced and effortless that the wet weather handling comes as a shock!

yeah i did think that, and that im really not used to 2WD, but in the dry i was fine, was driving it nicely in the wet but clearly could not push as hard as what the leaders were once it rained.

[mattr]

Originally Posted by Si Coe

I think you'll find its not really as bad as it looks.
Most 2wds are hard work when its wet - the issue with the 210 is that in the dry it seems so balanced and effortless that the wet weather handling comes as a shock!

Tell me about it............ couldn't even get mine down the straight without crashing........

[SamRCRacing]

If you are using shu greens go to ballistic greens in the wet, if you are using them it will be your setup or the surface of the track if everyone has the same problem.

[RichyUK]

Originally Posted by SamRCRacing

If you are using shu greens go to ballistic greens in the wet, if you are using them it will be your setup or the surface of the track if everyone has the same problem.

ok i can give those a try

i guess i'm wondering whether people do just change tyres once it rains or whether they alter setup too, ie camber, etc?

[SamRCRacing]

The main thing is tyres, I tried shu greens and the car was all over the place, then tried the ballistics and felt a lot more grippy and easy to drive.

[RichyUK]

Originally Posted by SamRCRacing

The main thing is tyres, I tried shu greens and the car was all over the place, then tried the ballistics and felt a lot more grippy and easy to drive.

ah ok, sounds good, i shall defo try that!

[Cream]

Green ballistics for the win :-)

Can't give any help on setup as I'm useless but Green ballistics make a massive difference.

[MatJohnson]

If you are running at EPR silvers worked quite well in the wet. But that was 4wd, might be worth a go in 2wd

[Frecklychimp]

Get a pair of rear dBoots Multibyte B's to try too, i find they give more forward traction in wet than Ballistic greens... depends on astro tough as some tracks they are not so good

I swap from 6.5T to 8.5T motor when its wet, much smoother and less aggressive so helps keep traction.

backing of the slipper a little can help too

[SamRCRacing]

I tried silvers on my x2c, they worked but not as well as the ballistics. There was only a small difference and the Schumacher silvers rip quite easily I have found.

Sam

[SamRCRacing]

Forgot about them, someone tried them at Surrey and Hants and loved them.

[steveproracing]

If u want to try setup changes. Things I would do in the wet are:-
1 shorten rear wbase. Fully forward makes aassive difference to rear grip on the 210
2. Drop a spring rate all round
3. Stand rear shock up for more forward drive

Tyres are the biggest change though in wet. Bb greens for the rear
Green cut staggers on front for astro only
If grass part of track then use schuey green minispikes and tune steering by removal of spikes
Hth

[Aran]

I use silver mini spikes on wet grass and it works okay, main thing is to be sensitive on the throttle though.

You could also switch the car to RM3 when its wet, would help I imagine.

[Anibal Henriques]

Dboots Multibyte B on wet astro stick like glue ,for the rear, for the front try Dboots Multibyte A Slim, Baalistic green also work good with a nice Schum minisoike yellow on front.
Dex 210 works well in every typ of surface , with is multy option setup it is a question off working good the setup

[jkclifford]

All the above is good advice but ultimatly you have to change the way you drive. for epr you will be amazed how fast a 13.5 an be in a 2wd. 27/28 pinion nice and smooth power delivery, big dolop of boost for the straight.

[TonyM]

Much of the above advice goes for me too. The real difference comes from the tyres. I've found Schuy Greens are useless compared to Ballistic Greens, or even Pinks if it is very wet.

Remove all the extra weight from the front and put some in the rear e.g. Cream rear battery block, Cream rear brass retainer, lead under the rear half of the lipo etc.

I also swap from 6.5 to 8.5 motor for a smoother drive.