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Originally Posted by cutting42
I guess my main issue is there seems little real reason behind having the list. Many other sections don't have it. It does not control costs it just gives a little traceability and it adds a whole lot of admin and confusion.
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Wrong knowledge - most Sections do run to the lists. Get you rfacts straight...
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Originally Posted by dazp83
So the list exists for a theoretical change in the future? Who's making batteries for brca rules as well? Are we centre of lipo market?
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We are the centre of the RC LiPo market. Together with ROAR we have led the world and given the manufacturers a specification to work within. EFRA and IFMAR are just two organisations that have followed us. As a result you can buy a battery from HK that will fit your car, and one from the list that means you can compete anywhere in the world and be within the rules.
Every manufacturer is making cells for BRCA rules, as they are the rules adopted across the world so if a manufacturer wants to sell to RC, they have to make cells to our rules.
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Originally Posted by dazp83
Yeah well said and its been said before other classes do just fine without a battery list or motors or esc.
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Oval and e-buggy - two Sections out of the electric sections. Oval use the motor list and TC use the 12th Section speedo list for blinky. The only Section using none of the lists is e-buggy and Micro.
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Originally Posted by dazp83
So is that what's happening in 1/8 ebuggy with no rules? Or in the Netherlands?
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E-buggy haven't asked for the list of their cells, and since they can't even agree on whether it is 3S, 4S or any other 'S', they aren't ready to have a list. Their Section is new and finding its feet, so it's no surprise they don't have or want a list just yet. once that settles down it is something they can consider, but like all new classes, the enthusiasts setting it up are finding what will make it successful.
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Originally Posted by cutting42
Not sure I agree with your first comment Jim.
Forums exchange views and knowledge, that is what was happening. That's certainly how I use it. This thread was a poll and generated plenty of both 
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That's the problem Jim is talking about - this is just exchanging views. Much of the rest is not knowledge, it is just supposition and uninformed comment. That's what Jim, Terry and I keep saying - check your facts and stop posting what is frankly, bollocks.
Why people think that they have to say something that is wrong, and not ask a question if they are not sure, I have no idea. The three most powerful words you can use in any situation are "I don't know." If you then go and find out and can then respond with facts and reasoned analysis, you will go far.
Most of the time in my business people who cannot say those three words talk crap assuming that the people they are talking to are ignorant, or bullshit their way through and think the other person can't see that. That is a recipe for career and social disaster, all because they can't admit they don't know.
Please be aware that much of what people post here to justify their view is wrong. Everyone is entitled to a view, but these days it seems to be the norm that people are not strong enough to argue their view, they have to quote something as fact to justify it. Since so many of those 'facts' are transparently wrong, the situation just gets worse, not better.
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Originally Posted by dazp83
Well said.
Surely what's more embarassing is the irrelevant views about things of yesteryear.
Things move on
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YEster-year is irrelevant? So what you're saying is that everything you learn each day you disregard tomorrow because it is now irrelevant? If you fell off your bike yesterday by going too fast, you do the same thing the next time? I think not.
You're just like the politicians - completely ignorant of the past and willing to repeat previous mistakes over and over again. Times may change, but situations don't. It is the past, and one's experience of the situations we find ourselves in, that allows us to manage to keep living in the present.
There's a big difference between modernisation and keeping up with the times. BRCA EB lists are very good at keeping up with the times.
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Originally Posted by Neil Skull
The problem you are facing Jim Spencer is the fact a lot of guys don't know about the BRCA what they do or why they do it.
many guys are on the Fringe of clubs and Regional racing, and just don't understand what why who and how!
Its all our responsibility as members of the BRCA to inform them.
and lets not mix up the real guys who want to play with the real enthusiasts and confirm to our sanctioning, To those that want to stir some trouble.
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Spot on Neil! We all do our best to help people understand, but it is not easy to get that message across when people do not want to listen. The worst part is doing a job for the BRCA and effectively being insulted and vilified by others who not only do not know us, but actively avoid finding out and offering any help to keep up with the times and keep the sport going.
Perhaps the most dispiriting thing is that if we were all in the pub, most of the views and comments expressed here would not be said to our faces. It won't stop me, but it is hard to take.