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Originally Posted by paulj
Ok so I'm not telling the truth then...
Quote from Frank Root of TLR when discussing modifying a 22 to 2.0 spec
"Since the chassis, shocks, diff, hinge pins, axles, body and wing all changed, not to mention half the plastics, it's going to be way cheaper to get a kit."
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What I took offense to was in you saying there has been "very little is left untouched from the original 22"?
I said it was highly exaggerated. If you want to interpret that as not telling the truth, then so be it.
But before you start quoting facts and figures stop putting your own spin on what others have said, and check it out yourself.
Frank has openly admitted on the U.S. forums that "the shocks (except for the internals) are essentially the same." Most people that have 22's have long ago addressed the leakage issues, and gone to other brands of 2-hole pistons. People have been upgrading their diffs since this car came out. The wing is essentially the JConcepts 6.5 wing that's been out a year or so, while the body, other than a little larger sidepods, is essentially the same as the original.
If you feel lowering the servo in your car 1mm makes you feel better, then go for it. If you think the change in coating to the shock shafts and hingepins are going to make you faster, good.
Again, this is not a complete redesign here, Frank also said that as well too. Even the cars the team drivers used at the U.S. Nats were NOT complete 2.0 versions, and instead modified 1.0's.
Nothing against Frank here, but he's a project manager, a salesman of sorts. His job is to convince us to buy the new car. Did you think he'd do otherwise?
If you're going to compare the XXX-CR to the original 22 - then yes, very little was left untouched.
But this is more like the change the AE lads went through when going from the B4.1 to the 4.2. Changes, yes - but the absolute need to buy a completely new car, or suggest it'd been completely redesigned, I think is a bit much.
Sure, there are going to be chaps that have completely worn out their 1.0's - but there's also a great number that have kept theirs fresh (or have nearly new ones) in which case the investment in a complete 2.0 isn't a wise choice. And instead they're going to make the more frugal choice of just upgrading the basic geometry pieces, and spend the extra £75-100 on something else.
Is the 2.0 going to be great? Sure it is. But if you were a C-Finals driver with your 1.0 is the 2.0 going to get you into the A-Finals? I don't see it happening.