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Originally Posted by Mikey G

I agree juniors should get a reduced entry fee, the second class fee can be debatable.

Agreed. Thats what we are trying to work on here, get peoples opinions. We dont have to get a definitive answer here and right now, just see what people think and why.

Originally Posted by Mikey G

Second classes tend to be more of a problem in the electrics as a lot of drivers try to run 2wd and 4wd on the same day, if you are running 2 or more classes then you are responsible for organising a relief marshall not the club. So if you dont have a marshall in position as you are busy racing then you can expect to get punished for it.

Again i agree, and if the organisers seem to be good enough to try to seperate you into corresponding heats so you can race both 2 & 4wd AND marshall yourself, we are onto a winner. If the numbers arent big enough so you cant do this and you cant find a relief marshall then some kind of punishment should in theory be awarded. But also, we are trying to get as many people racing in all the classes so some kind of leeway or understanding ought to be realised. Good point for discussion now and at the next AGM i think ?

Originally Posted by Mikey G

I can understand the need for the electrics to run to more stringent rules in regionals for licence purposes but us nitro racers are only there to make up the numbers on the day and to have a days racing.

Heres where misunderstanding starts for me. I did not realise the Nitro drivers werent driving for points in a series, a BRCA ranking or anything like that when we all attend a WRCA Regional ( Nitro & Electric ). And frankly i doubt most of the electric drivers did/do either - bar the ones who are commitee members or club officials. Maybe this is where the idea of a better website, regulary updated & more relevent information and regulary updated forums comes into play ?

Originally Posted by Mikey G

I would prefer to have a relaxed club day not having to worry about vis vests and staying on the rostrum till the finish rubbish, I dont have to do a licence and dont intend to do a national at the moment so I dont like to have it rammed down my throat at every event I do in my club.

As far as the vis vests goes, i really think its time someone gets a written answer from someone high up in the BRCA about this and settle the reasons for it once and for all. It seems to be coming up in every thread on here atm... As far as "staying on the rostrum till the finish rubbish" i, and im sure most other drivers, agree with DCM - its common courtisy not to disturb other drivers if you are unlucky enough to not be able to continue in the race - i personally dont even leave the rostrum at clubnights if i break let alone Regionals...

Fair enough about you not wanting to do Nationals at the moment, but what happens when and if you DO want to ? Would you be happy for the 5 minute H&S briefing and high viz vests then ? And as far as i can see, at your own Tally club this year there's been one joint 'fun' meet and one joint Regional, plus the electric Nats for one weekend. I honestly dont quite see where the " I dont like to have it rammed down my throat at every event I do in my club " comes from. If im wrong and theres more going on at Tally in joint electric/Nitro then i know about and every other weekend you are getting it rammed down your throat, then i apologise and its just a good point for more information and club interaction ! If not, then i suggest you do speak to your club about it direct and explain to them you want more relaxed club days and less stringent racing and H&S rules ?

Originally Posted by Mikey G

The nitro racers of south wales at least seem to work together well and want the best out of the days racing, it looks like the electric side of the clubs need to work on this though.

I agree. You guys & gals DO seem to have got your act together better than us electrics. We should learn from that tbh. First off to find out what we, as electrics, want out of racing. If its just relaxed racing, regionals, large weekenders, practicing & training whatever - we do need to work this one out. Theres another one for the WRCA website hub & forums...

Originally Posted by Mikey G

We at Talywain need to start getting our club days organised because at the moment we only seem to be doing large national size meets and regionals. I just want to go racing and have fun in doing so but I cant do that if i'm constantly watching over my shoulder incase I upset someone because i'm a rebel nitro racer...

Again this one confuses me due to the reasons from a point or two above. Please explain how doing one joint regional and one joint fun meet is our ( as electrics ) fault for you having to watch over your shoulder?? I think this one is more to do with your internal club politics than anything else ? If not, please explain. Although by the looks of what Minimatto has said you might just get your wish of more relaxed Taly Nitro clubdays next year, if the calender is looking as full as he says ?


I have to say this might look like im picking on Nitros here ( as you are one of the few Nitro people saying anything, and as i think o0ple is mostly electric based ), but im not and i honestly dont think any of the other electric guys are either.

Dave Belsten started the Regional cost thread ( i think ) for the electric side of things - not the Nitros. He has been racing for a looong time and was quite justifiably entitled to ask a simple question about the fees. Then other threads followed quickly, mostly i think, directed at the electric side of things, not the nitros.

Then somehow i feel it suddenly has become an issue for nitro people to think we are picking on the nitros, which just isnt the case. As i said in a different post, atm we need each other for a decent size meeting and to save costs. Hopefully in the future BOTH classes can grow to a bigger level where we CAN run seperate meetings, with maybe one joint meet each year to keep the classes in touch with each other.

I think the only justifiable gripe from us electrics about joint regionals with nitros occured at just GNR - and that was the nitros cutting up the track... badly. Most electrics had at least one car breakage once the nitors started. At Taly it didnt happen due to the astro. The main gripe there was us waiting over 2 hours for our finals whilst watching you guys & gals have 2 hours of fun, then us only being able to run later on after you finshed. This was explained to us later on that it was due to the noise curfew the nitros have. Fair enough, we didnt like it but we eventually understood. And it didnt happen at GNR due to that experience, and i very much doubt it will happen again this year.

As a side point, I have to say in all seriousness, Axeman is the BEST representative of Nitros i could imagine to us electric drivers. Steve is passionate about his Nitros, but understands about where electrics are coming from as well - he started i believe on electrics years ago and is now playing around with them again with that ( sometimes unguided ! ) missile of a purple B44. He honestly never seems to be biased in anyway for either class, but appreciates both for what they offer. His attitude to the different classes is something ALL of us should follow tbh - we would all get on a lot better if we did.

Oh and if it makes anyone happy, three of us electrics watched the Taly nitro buggy final and it was once of the best races weve seen. Brilliant driving, watching 1st, 2nd and 3rd catch up with each other, pass, re-pass and in the case of one of them, break down just as he was passing for 1st if i remember correctly... It ALMOST made me want to have a go at Nitro...

Lastly, thank you Dorris for explaining in a bit more detail what happened at the AGM for the reasons regarding the £10.00 entry fees. If we had known that a couple of days ago there might have been a lot less posts and arguments.... ! It would be great to see the minutes of that meeting though, to finally clarify certain points...

Ok, ive said my long piece. For now. I expect im going to get a ripping apart from just about everyone now...