All the catalogues have it as available dec 4th.
All those people that have ordered it from catalogues are going to p***ed then!!
Its getting beyond a joke now. I can see it NEVER being released on PS3. And being saved for PS4 (whch if rumours have it, isn't that far off!).
So all those of us that bought PS3, hoping to play GT5 on it are not going to be happy when we're told that our PS3 was a pointless purchase, and that we now have to go and buy a PS4!
Rumours on the playstation forums say that all the PS3 was, was a tester for the PS4, to see if people would buy it rather than the Xboxdue to its superior power.
Thats not going to be a good move from Sony if it was.