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Originally Posted by DaveG28
Your first quote: I know the clause, but if you look into cases of when it has been used at Touribg Car level, you can see how ambiguous it is in practice.
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It's true, but it's mostly because it's based on a judgment call by officials.
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Originally Posted by DaveG28
......assuming f1 teams pick up crap on the slowing down lap for the same reasons people in other championships do (rideheight/at a stretch weight), then doing so is clearly against the "intent" of the rules as you put it, as it allows you to run illegally during the race but look legal afterwards. Although I doubt anyone really takes that risk!
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In F1 you pick up marbles for weight. (There's no min ride hight rule). The reason you do it is not to bring a light car up to weight, but as insurance. You will get marbles anyway, but if you delibratly get as many as you can you can because you run so close to the minimum weight anyway that if burned too much oil or something and so you were 0.1 kg underweight and you didn't pick up rubber you'd be looking foolinsh. I can't explain why it's not banned, or min weight without tyres, I guess for logistics. There were other things similar in the past that were banned, like being able to refil fluids, then teams running 30kg water tanks empy in the race and then filling them up in parc ferme.
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Originally Posted by DaveG28
But your right, it's got boring, I clearly don't have enough technical/rules knowledge, and your clearly too cranky about it to be reasonable from a process side, so it's not helping anyone!!
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Sorry to seem cranky, I'm not a cranky guy!
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I'm just trying to get the facts across so eveyone can read and see a bit more from the inside than you normally get.
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Originally Posted by DaveG28
Is the Red Bull rear end packaging mutually exclusive to double deck diffuser?
If it is, given that they are very competitive, would they definitely gain from scrapping the current solution and getting the fancy diffuser?
Why have all the teams gone down the diffuser route and not tried to copy the Red Bull, would it not be as effective/cheaper??
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It is exclusive of the diffuser. The took the oportunity to lower the diff and run pull rod suspension to rockers and damper mounted near the floor instead of on top like every one else.
It's the sort of thing where it's worth maybe 0.1 sec a lap, not alot more. Where as the diffuser is worth 0.3 sec min. When the're as well developed as the Brawn you can double that or more. So For Red Bull, if they can fit a new gearbox and a diffuser, they'll have a net gain on speed, but it'll cost them several million.
The reason Red Bull are so fast is simply because they've made the fasted non-diffuser car on the grid. Credit goes to Adrian Newey and his team. Newey always seems to do well during big rule changes, even if his cars are always fragile!