oil is about as bouyant as anything at the moment

I agree with the comment about the automotive industry, when I took my car in last Friday for a download, they said they were only doing warranty work now and had only sold 2 cars in the last month, if it wasn't for recalls on the vogue diffs then they would have nothing in. Landrover have also stopped production of the 4.2 V8 engine :-( because people are scared of it and if you want a new landrover you have to cough up a 50% cash deposit before they place the order.