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woOdy 14-04-2011 12:08 PM
Pre-Booking
 
Hi guys.
Just to let you know I have had a chat with the BRCA Rep and as far as pre-booking, there is no pre-booking this year.
There will be next year but for this year it is only to let the club know your details to make the booking in process quicker.
This means if you want to race then booking in will be on the day and not before the day.
If you are going to go just let them know so they can organise the day for the numbers of drivers.

Evo_Snr 14-04-2011 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by woOdy (Post 489996)
Hi guys.
Just to let you know I have had a chat with the BRCA Rep and as far as pre-booking, there is no pre-booking this year.
There will be next year but for this year it is only to let the club know your details to make the booking in process quicker.
This means if you want to race then booking in will be on the day and not before the day.
If you are going to go just let them know so they can organise the day for the numbers of drivers.
If we did not pre book for round 1 ,we would have have the same situation as last year . This year ran smooth with a heat list produced in advance. booking in only meant ticking off and paying while race control could update xtals and pt's. How long do you think it would take to type in 120 drivers details?
Do you take the first 120 drivers and turn the rest away.

Evo_Snr 14-04-2011 01:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by woOdy (Post 489996)
Hi guys.
Just to let you know I have had a chat with the BRCA Rep and as far as pre-booking, there is no pre-booking this year.
There will be next year but for this year it is only to let the club know your details to make the booking in process quicker.
This means if you want to race then booking in will be on the day and not before the day.
If you are going to go just let them know so they can organise the day for the numbers of drivers.
Is that not pre brooking :p

Chrislong 14-04-2011 02:27 PM
So, the way I interpret Woody's post, is it is now email to update database and intention to race but this doesn't guaratee you a booking (ideal for club to save time, but not necessary). But the booking in process is first come/first serve in the queue on the day? Will that mean the last few in the queue will fight to the death, survivors race? :lol:

So would booking in process be slower?? If so, there is less time to get the racing in, yet we're trying to squeeze everyone in, so we'll be going home at 8pm? This year is a organisers nightmare. I don't think there is a way to keep everyoen happy :(

So whats going to be different for next year to make it different to this? Two day regionals?

burgie 14-04-2011 02:28 PM
I'm with Eric on this.

surely what the clubs have done thus far is classed as pre-booking? Is all that to be discounted now, so booking in can be a free for all at the next round?

Somebody is confused :confused:

steel 14-04-2011 02:49 PM
So in theory you could have lets say 150 drivers turn up on the day book in the first 120 then turn the rest away that doesnt sound right to me sounds like bad organisation :thumbdown:

Kecky 14-04-2011 03:11 PM
We'll all be camping out in our sleeping bags outside race control the night before to make sure we get in :thumbsup:

I think this would also affect numbers as nobody will travel a hundred miles or so just on the off chance they get in.

I'm sure when WoOdy comes on and clarifies his post, we can sigh a breath of relief :lol:

stuart slmcc 14-04-2011 03:29 PM
I drove 115 miles sunday to southport plus 115 back noing i was going to be racing . will be more for batley. Im happy for it to be pre booking so i no im going to be in . like its been said ill have to camp or hotel it the night before to ensure im in if its first come basis. If club secretarys or your fellow racers cant pass info on by sending an email or ringing you thats a poor do . I passed info on to members that i wasnt sure of if they are on oople or not even some that are. May be people should go thro there club secretarys to per book in ?? . I would like to say thanks to chris cherry for taking up the job for the southlakes on the 22nd of may cracking job fella .

Well thats my 50ps worth .

Col 14-04-2011 03:36 PM
The N/E has been doing pre-booking for years. Even has it's own dedicated website.

http://www.brca-northeast.net/

steel 14-04-2011 04:52 PM
Imagine what it will be like when race control opens :cry:

sly 14-04-2011 05:06 PM
:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

Stu 14-04-2011 05:21 PM
As there is no 'official' central pre-booking system it's down to the clubs how they deal with the numbers of drivers who want to race.

There were no problems at Southport as the meeting was not full, the system they used worked very well.

If more than 12 full heats of drivers turn up and want to race on the day I'm sure it can be dealt with somehow.

Evo_Snr 14-04-2011 05:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stu (Post 490146)
As there is no 'official' central pre-booking system it's down to the clubs how they deal with the numbers of drivers who want to race.

There were no problems at Southport as the meeting was not full, the system they used worked very well.

If more than 12 full heats of drivers turn up and want to race on the day I'm sure it can be dealt with somehow.
How ! , you could have 11 car heats, then race control has go through the heat list and make sure no 11 has a pt. Early start (well you would have to to book in on the day). Late finish as in 2010 racing in the dark.BTW Southport was full, the 2 that did not turn were on the reserve list but told they had a place. 1 booked in on the day then withdrew after round2.
I had 8 reserves in 4wd and only 1 took a place, the other place was offered but no one wanted it. so we finished up with 117 drivers.

sly 14-04-2011 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stu (Post 490146)
As there is no 'official' central pre-booking system it's down to the clubs how they deal with the numbers of drivers who want to race.
Stu Wood and Gareth Hollis have a system that would work next year.

So why the statement of, book in on the day this year in we breathe, and then, it`s up to the clubs, in a another breathe?

just leave this year as it is, and make/implenment plans that will keep everyone happy next year.
its like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted:confused:


While we are at it, Trophies yes or no?

andy110m 14-04-2011 06:43 PM
I'm with Eric and the prebooking side of the arguement. I think with the interest this year its the only way to go and Southport ran great because of it.

Unless I know I'm in the meeting I'm not going to get up at silly o'clock and drive many miles only to be turned away. I think alot will agree and that will have a negative effect on numbers.

All the events with the exception of Bury are effectively prebooked, lets not change whats been shown to work really well.

Just my thoughts.

NISMOBUGGY 14-04-2011 07:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by woOdy (Post 489996)
Hi guys.
Just to let you know I have had a chat with the BRCA Rep and as far as pre-booking, there is no pre-booking this year.
There will be next year but for this year it is only to "let the club know your details to make the booking in process quicker".
This means if you want to race then booking in will be on the day and not before the day.
If you are going to go just let them know so they can organise the day for the numbers of drivers.
So for the avoidance of any doubt and to keep all campers happy who exactly at the club do we give our details to so the "booking in process" is quicker?

Kecky 14-04-2011 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sly (Post 490195)
While we are at it, Trophies yes or no?
Yes :thumbsup:

Evo_Snr 14-04-2011 07:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NISMOBUGGY (Post 490238)
So for the avoidance of any doubt and to keep all campers happy who exactly at the club do we give our details to so the "booking in process" is quicker?
These are the clubs in the Northwest Region

Southport :- [email protected]
Batley :- [email protected]
South Lakes :- [email protected]
Keighley :- [email protected]
Bury :- [email protected]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Si Coe 14-04-2011 07:58 PM
Last year, Southport's 1st round had a slow booking in because so many peoples details needed entering, but after that all the other rounds ran smoothly. That wasn't due to numbers, just the fact that following the winter indoor series at Chadderton, the majority of the drivers were already in Bury's database (also used at Keighley) so booking them in was really just a matter of collecting the money and arranging heats.

Bury has 2 sets of transponders, meaning PT's aren't required for 11 car or more heats. I'm sure if need be these could be available to other clubs.

The issue here is not the Southport meeting. The issue is the mad rush to pre-book for every other round, even one months away as everyone panics that they won't get a place.

Personally I won't be racing in the regionals this year, because I just think this is plain silly and I know I'm not alone in being put off by the stampede to pre-book.

Regionals are supposed to be open to everyone, not just the first 70 people who booked in in March for a race in June and filled both classes.

We need to improve the system so that anyone who wants to race can, not just turn around and go 'tough luck, we're full', which is the case now.

Pre-booking helps on a packed day I agree, and I'm quite in favor of being booked in before I leave the house, but full entry lists weeks in advance are a different matter.

If pre-booking suggest you are going to get 140 entries and the meeting isn't for a least a fortnight, don't close the entries, work out how to make it work! Either get those in two classes to choose one and let some more folks race, or find a way to race 140 drivers in a day. If you know thats the case in advance, you've time to solve it.

carpenterdean 14-04-2011 08:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Si Coe (Post 490279)
Last year, Southport's 1st round had a slow booking in because so many peoples details needed entering, but after that all the other rounds ran smoothly. That wasn't due to numbers, just the fact that following the winter indoor series at Chadderton, the majority of the drivers were already in Bury's database (also used at Keighley) so booking them in was really just a matter of collecting the money and arranging heats.

Bury has 2 sets of transponders, meaning PT's aren't required for 11 car or more heats. I'm sure if need be these could be available to other clubs.

The issue here is not the Southport meeting. The issue is the mad rush to pre-book for every other round, even one months away as everyone panics that they won't get a place.

Personally I won't be racing in the regionals this year, because I just think this is plain silly and I know I'm not alone in being put off by the stampede to pre-book.

Regionals are supposed to be open to everyone, not just the first 70 people who booked in in March for a race in June and filled both classes.

We need to improve the system so that anyone who wants to race can, not just turn around and go 'tough luck, we're full', which is the case now.

Pre-booking helps on a packed day I agree, and I'm quite in favor of being booked in before I leave the house, but full entry lists weeks in advance are a different matter.

If pre-booking suggest you are going to get 140 entries and the meeting isn't for a least a fortnight, don't close the entries, work out how to make it work! Either get those in two classes to choose one and let some more folks race, or find a way to race 140 drivers in a day. If you know thats the case in advance, you've time to solve it.
I agree with alot of what this guy has to say, especially those doing 2 classes being made to choose one or the other. I had decided to do 2 classes at southport but when i realised that the meeting was getting full and others were on the reserve list who wanted to race i was only to happy to give up my 4wd slot so someone else could race, so maybe all we're talking about here is a little more consideration then if the spaces are still available then they could be offered back to people who want to do both. Your never gunna keep all of the people happy all of the time:woot:


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