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c0sie 28-08-2009 10:16 AM

X12 motor timing explained??
 
My X12 6.5 comes with timing insert number '4', which is X-10'

Firstly, as a total timing n00b, is -10' a higher timing than the +10' that is given when using insert number '-' ??

Also, the printed instructions that came with the motor shows timing number '2' as the standard insert whereas the LRP online manual states that number '4' is standard. Any ideas which is correct?

Thanks :)

chris_dono 28-08-2009 12:56 PM

"-" = retarding the timing
"+" = advancing the timing.

You have a standard insert which is marked 0 (if i remember rightly). It's the one that isn't rotated either way when inserted.

The two other inserts, depending on how you put them in, will give you
-10
-5
+5
+10

c0sie 28-08-2009 01:09 PM

Hi Chris,

The motor came out the box with insert 'oooo' which is -10'. This is, according to the LRP online X12 manual, the standard factory setting...
However, the printed X12 manual that came with the motor says that 'oo' is the factory standard setting, and that insert is 0' timing.

Im confused though. 'oooo' is equal to -10' timing, and is the same timing that Hupo used at the Euro's. What would minus timing do then compared to zero? Offer more bottom end grunt? Run cooler??

Any answers are greatly appreciated as im totally learning this all here :)

_sleigh_ 28-08-2009 01:19 PM

The main thing to remember here is that the timing it being described as either +/-10 from a known timing point. It isn't +/- from 0.

I think from memory Reto from LRP told me the X12 motors are timed to 40deg and you can adjust -/+10deg from this point.

c0sie 28-08-2009 01:26 PM

Thanks Phil.

Do you run the same timing insert at all meetings or do you switch and change dependant on the venue?

Also, do you know what the difference in performance is between the minimum and maximum timing avaliable?

Cris

DCM 28-08-2009 02:43 PM

+40' timing is a lot, so to run the -10 insert would be about right.

Col 28-08-2009 04:21 PM

or forget all the above and run it the way is was intended to be run from the factory!:thumbsup:

c0sie 28-08-2009 04:26 PM

Which is what? 'oooo' as on the LRP website, or 'oo' as in the printed manual?

samd 30-08-2009 06:32 AM

Older x12s came with the oo as standard, the newer ones with the oooo - i think everyone uses the oooo insert now - just stick with that one. The gearing advice has changed a bit as well.

c0sie 30-08-2009 08:41 AM

Cheers bud :)

Do you know what the gearing advice states nowadays?

chris_dono 31-08-2009 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samd (Post 279995)
Older x12s came with the oo as standard, the newer ones with the oooo - i think everyone uses the oooo insert now - just stick with that one. The gearing advice has changed a bit as well.

people tended to run the insert that retarded the timing, which will mean you're running cooler.

ex-sco77morgan 01-09-2009 06:51 AM

Cris buddy

0000 is the more economical and smooth setting were as the 00 gives you a bit more. That will explain why they get a bit hotter with the 00 in there.

All mine came with 00 as standard but have now changed to 0000

How you getting on with the SXX TC have you run it yet??

:thumbsup:

c0sie 01-09-2009 07:30 AM

Not yet fella, Ursh is still quite ill so I wont be at club for probably another week or two but once I am ill be thrashin that SXX :D

TonyM 23-10-2009 03:18 PM

I have a secondhand X12 with only the 00. I can't seem to find who sells them - any advice?

Cheers Tony

0000 is the more economical and smooth setting were as the 00 gives you a bit more. That will explain why they get a bit hotter with the 00 in there.

All mine came with 00 as standard but have now changed to 0000

How you getting on with the SXX TC have you run it yet??

:thumbsup:[/quote]


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