Any news on how the Pro X and madrat did at there debut national at EPR?
 

I'm interested to learn how competative the cars were at EPR over the weekend.

Did not spot any running myself......... (but could be wrong did not watch "every" car)

there was one in my Heat, didnt seem to go to bad but i did see it after the final and was looking a little worse for wear shall i say :cry: T-plate had snapped by the looks of it

common fault :yawn:
need's beefing up or carbonfibred
hence its my back up / spare car :D

It did look OK actually, seemed to be going around pretty well in fact.

Though I did notice it struggled to fit in 'The Box'. The front end seems a little wide. Oh, and the broken T plate.

you got a B4 caster block and steering knuckle pre-assembled, that I could maybe try on the car, dude, that should narrow it down a little.

I'd heard that someone just trimmed the front hexes down a bit? Shouldn't be too hard if it was marginal?

wasnt just that, spencer had to run rb5 front rims and grinde the axles,im sure he will be along later with a list of what he had to do to make it legal.

He ground down the axles (they stick out way past the nuts) and fitted Kyosho front wheels (not sure if that was needed, but apparently so. )

Shame about the width, might be simple to fit Kyosho wheels but it shouldn't need any "know-how" for a beginner to pick one of these and race, it isn't a top level racer afterall, but now there is - know how to make it fit the BRCA box *thumbs down*

The T-plate is too weak, needs beefing up, when it goes it also breaks the lugs off the gearbox.

I like the Pro shocks, very smooth!

Id have been impressed if the car ran out of the box, but now we know - it doesn't fit the BRCA box and its needing some beefing up. Come on Ansmann your missing a big chance here to fill a big hole in the market! But it needs to be fool and bomb proof, its otherwise very close to being that.

One word = PRICE £££

If Ansmann were to make all these changes then the price would be increased, then people would moan its too expensive!

For example, if we were to add tyres and inserts into the kit, the price would be increased by £10, but people are happy to use their own.

I also dont think that the people at Team C in china even considered the fact if it would fit the Uk BRCA box.

Yes the lugs broke on the gearbox aswell as the T-plate snapped was unlucky as the car other than when it broke it looked good and went round ok. The mad rat was opened then for the spares !!!! bargain.

The kyosho wheels where only used cause the ansmann ones had been cut down and made narrow this may have been too bitey on track so kyosho wider ones stepped in.

B4 front axle holders and axles will fit and will make the axle hight adjustable but they need drilling to allow the ansmann pin to pass through.

plus this weekend i know a kit B44 that struggled to get in the box and the axles were filed on that too.

Pretty foolish not to consider the car's width considering the BRCA width is the same as the IFMAR width, it's not as if the BRCA are insisting on a narrow car.

It is an easy problem to address, a few changes to moulds and the way the metalworking machines are set up will sort the problems. It depends how much leverage Ansmann have over their supplier. Cost would be negligible once spread across the number of units being manufactured.

Ultimately, failure to address the obvious issues the car is suffering from will cost sales. Ansmann need to decide whether they are trying to break into the racing market, or whether they are happy to stick to the basher market. Companies like Associated and Kyosho have got to where they are by constantly addressing the problems with the cars, I know that when Kyosho first launched the Lazer ZX-5 they made running changes to a series of strengthened parts to solve the problems that showed up in racing.

Exactly how much wider is the x-pro than the specified BRCA width then? At a guess it only a 2 minute file width away?

The UK BRCA box, is same size for all racing groups worldwide.... easy info to find (www.brca.org / handbook/ Efra website, Ifmar website etc) and a little corner cut by skipping 5 minutes research before making moulds, but an expensive one to rectify.

I agree on tyres, and keeping the cost down - as long as there is an upgrade to strengthen the T-brace then thats fine, as then there is a part to recommend - and hey presto, upgrades sold - if not spares of the std... but still would have been nicer to have been stronger in the first place.

it is worth going back to Team C, and asking for slightly short front axles, it would bennefit them, and can be implemented as a roling change in kits, thinners hexes to sit the wheels in 1mm either side, and axle 2.5mm shorter would do the trick.

I will mention it to head office, but between us and Germany we have over 3000 kits in stock. Probabaly a bit late to send them all back for modding.

Think the strengthened "T" brace will soon become available as an upgrade.

As for the shorter wheel axles and narrower hexes, i think the file will need to come out.

yeah, but you wouldn't have to upgrade the current kits, just offer the parts as a 'conversion' at a suitable cost, and any other kits that haven't been delivered from HK, have the parts changed in the factory.

All about being 'intuitive' to the consumer, it would make no difference to the basher, but all the difference to the racer.

Ive sent this thread details to head office, will update when i receive news.

Xray offered free upgrade parts that were shipped directly from the distributor when problems were identified with the T2 008, maybe thats something that Ansmann could think about looking at rather than sending all the existing kits back.