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Fiddybux 18-05-2009 08:01 PM

New diff balls and rings...but still VERY notchy!
 
I'm confused at this one.

Just rebuilt my X5 diff, and new ceramic diff balls and diff rings, and when tightened the diff is unbelievably notchy.

I haven't replaced the diff gear itself, but it looks okay, and I've rebuilt it several times using the same diff gear, and it's been okay before.

Any ideas? Is the diff gear that is warped / melted / worn?

Lee 18-05-2009 08:06 PM

Did you replace the thrust race?

Fiddybux 18-05-2009 08:13 PM

No actually I didn't, but I will now.

Fiddybux 18-05-2009 08:19 PM

Sorted Lee....that was it! :thumbsup:

Weird though, as I've changed so many diffs in the past few years, but never changed the thrust, and it's always been okay....up until now! :o

Still, thanks oh wise one!

Lee 18-05-2009 08:20 PM

No probs,

I find the thrust race causes the gritty feel. Sometimes fresh grease and a clean works other times it needs fresh balls.

Glad its sorted though :thumbsup:

Fiddybux 18-05-2009 08:25 PM

I remember now that when I dismantled it to chuck it all in white spirit for cleaning, that some of the thrust race bearings fell out of the plastic casing thing (LOSA3098)....should have noticed this as a warning sign!

So lesson learned there! Cheers Lee. :thumbsup:

Russ.

YoungChazz 18-05-2009 09:50 PM

I replace thrust balls/races far more often than diff balls/rings.

Fiddybux 18-05-2009 11:00 PM

That's good to know!

Funny (and sad) to think that I could have been throwing away perfectly good balls and rings all this time, when actually it is only the thrust race that needed replacing.

In future I will replace the thrust first, and rebuild with with old parts to see how it feels first, before I go chucking money away pointlessly on new diff balls and rings.

super__dan 19-05-2009 07:24 PM

Well I'm somewhere in the middle, plates are pennies so I always change those, then thrust every other set of plates (2 sides per plate) so every 4 rebuilds, which is so every 1/2 season or something?

bigred5765 19-05-2009 08:00 PM

im with dan on this one, we run the plates both side and change them after that, same with diff plates, but we run tungsten carbide diff balls and should in theory last at least a season,

YoungChazz 21-05-2009 01:43 PM

Exactly. The balls, diff and thrust, are carbide -- very hard -- so the rings and washers wear out much faster.

The diff balls drive the car while the thrust balls give it the diff action. But the thrust balls also hold the thing together, there are only half as many thrust balls and they are much smaller. Result is the thrust balls wear faster than the diff balls.

IMHO, the thrust bearing assemblies where the bearings are held in a retainer and the washers have little grooves for the balls to run in, like LOSA3018, are much better.

Southwell 21-05-2009 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoungChazz (Post 244358)
IMHO, the thrust bearing assemblies where the bearings are held in a retainer and the washers have little grooves for the balls to run in, like LOSA3018, are much better.

They are what i use and my balls always stay smooth. :woot:

Lee 21-05-2009 02:34 PM

Has anyone found that the losi diffs go notchy and tighten up after a couple of runs, then you can come to the car a few hours later and they are super smooth again?

I can only imagine its down to heat but is there a way to eliminate it?

super__dan 21-05-2009 02:46 PM

Lee, I have had that on high traction tracks where you can drive very aggressive, or in longer than 5 minute practice runs (Belgium say).

Lee 21-05-2009 03:14 PM

Yeah i was having it at Southport the last time i was there. Is it just a case of rebuilding or having spare diffs handy?

Southwell 21-05-2009 03:36 PM

My last diff lasted a few months before i bothered re building it. Ive never had that problem before, i switched to the trust race with grooves in it at Taly and they are still smooth as silk.

Gayo 22-05-2009 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoungChazz (Post 244358)
LOSA3018

Can you use that on a B4 diff?

pedro72 22-05-2009 08:47 AM

I was having all sorts with my xx4 diff but then tried taking the thrust bearing case out of the equation (just add another 3 thrust balls so that theres now 10 in total) so now the balls just sit in the grooved washers and now the diff is super smooth and seems to stay that way, it is a bit more difficult to build and assemble but.

Peter

Lee 22-05-2009 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pedro72 (Post 244726)
I was having all sorts with my xx4 diff but then tried taking the thrust bearing case out of the equation (just add another 3 thrust balls so that theres now 10 in total) so now the balls just sit in the grooved washers and now the diff is super smooth and seems to stay that way, it is a bit more difficult to build and assemble but.

Peter

Thanks Pedro, i will give that a try :thumbsup:

bigred5765 22-05-2009 09:43 AM

must admit i use the thrust race with that cage, i do use the grooved plates but remove the carbide balls,use your balls loose with lots of grease,it feels much free'er (is that a proper word?)


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