New Schumacher on the block
 

looks the muts nuts..

http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/Car_Sh.../SupaStox.html

http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/Car_Sh..._FTQL_1000.jpg

Very Nice!

been waiting for this... that's winter club racing sorted :thumbsup:

2S saddle car... going to be some quick racing.

R.I.P Mardave :woot:

Its going to be interesting to see how it compares to running against the ne Mardave VRX CE.

2s .... Is there even a 2s 1/12 class :woot::woot:

Don't think so... not an on road fan tbh but did get a mardave a while back as i live near Ardent, the guys that run it are ace and it was to keep my thumbs loosened and hopefully tidy my buggy lines up a bit..

had it for 3 weeks cos the politics were horrendous... but tried my 7.4V lipo saddles when i got bored with trundling around the track... even with the G2 motor it was 1/12 speed if not faster and if it had been allowed i would have probably stuck with it :thumbsup:

To be discussed at 12th EGM the end of this month

That's a fantastic looking bit of kit for under £100. Looks tight for the electrics though?

Can't wait to buy one :thumbsup:

It looks amazing value lots of ideas here back to the Schumacher routes of pan cars in the way the rear end and motor is mounted. Great to see them trying to revitisle this area of the sport.

I had my grubby little hands on this last week and it's very nice and there will be a diff option coming out for it also but not yet !
The roll stiffness can be adjusted by moving the rear springs inward or outward via the 6 points on the rear. The springs are in the inner most points in the picture. :thumbsup:

if your going to buy one of these you may as well just race pan cars:thumbdown:
leave mardave standard thats what makes it great:D

It is a pan car!

it's also a 1/12th saloon.

It's not a Mardave!

Value for money wise this wins hands down...

hope its a single make Superstox class, preferably not linked to the existing series/championships

hope there will just be a motor wind limit or cheap control motor at worst and allow any modifications/tyres/bodies/aftermarket bits etc etc for the class, maybe 1s and 2s classes if needed and none of the other B.S politics and stupid monopoly on sales for anything connected type rules as with existing racing of similar types.

tbh i only want one for indoor winter club racing and playing down at Ardent during their open practice days... would have kept the Mardave if id realised i could run it at Broxtowe indoors during winter.

looks more like a mardave rip off to me

I think a proper pan car would kane this sorry but i will stick to my stock dave thanks

have fun with it matey,

as long as you enjoy it then great :thumbsup:

You haven't seen a Mardave recently then :lol:

Alloy, carbon, titanium, all sorts of adjustments, and thats on the new Mardave V12VRXcec.

http://www.rc-news.de/wp-content/upl...-1-630x347.jpg

http://www.rc-news.de/wp-content/upl...12VRXcec-2.jpg

And thats a tenner more than the SupaStox.

I really Like the look of this !
A proper designed car

Sold all my mardave's as they were crap
Between the plastics braking and the metal bending the car was never the same for two races, and don't get me started on the politics of the class !

( Role on the abuse, lol !!!!! )

The supastox looks much better value.

The only way this would ever be allowed in the oval classes is if the drivers vote it in, oval racing will remain a Mardave/Kamtec monopoly for some time.

It's aimed at the Mardave circuit racing class, which is currently run with much more expensive Mardave V12VRXcec cars with carbon chassis and alloy rear pods and lexan Lotus GT or Mazda 6 bodies. I wouldn't class those as traditional Mardaves either.

There are fundamental differences that mean this isn't and will never be a pan car.

The BRCA is currently trying to sort out rules for a new GT12 class as a support class for 1/12th to replace the Mardaves only class they ran last year. The draft rules are for 1S lipo with a 13.5 motor. There is nothing in the proposed rules stopping anyone fitting the Schumacher 4 link rear suspension on a Mardave V12 either.

Discussion is going on over on Racechat http://rcracechat.com/vb/showthread....omments-please

2s chassis to beat the M06 :thumbsup:

1s chassis to keep the stock car clan happy :D

and four cell nimh and g2s for proper racing:lol:

edited that for you...

Well the Schumacher does have chassis slots for 4 cell.:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

Even that new Mardave won't be a patch on the schuey

Oval racing may be fun but i prefer corners that go both ways...

The Schumacher is a car thats had some engineering and design put in.. based on similar principles but done to a standard to be proud of.... the other brand is only a very recent makeover on a car originally knocked up in a shed too many years ago from a B&Q/Wilko's sale bin with an old letterbox for a chassis :woot:

I'd be proud of taking the body of that Schumacher... enough said!

Mr Dodd, i'm game mate for running one of these at yours next winter... lets show the Mini's how its done! :thumbsup:

I don't care about the Mardave competition thing cos i wouldn't buy another or race at a specific meeting with them again either... the politics and attitudes that are openly accessible on any forum they are not banned from are not why i race and grew very thin after a couple of weeks of trying to get into the 'scene'

The car is also very expensive or what you get, whether its been around since the stone age or not, the quality is terrible and in my experience there were parts missing and not up to scratch to be usuable in the kit, the aftersales service consisted of Mardave blaming the retailer for taking the parts from a sealed box and i was never offered the bits that were missing.... luckily B&Q had plenty of wood screws or sal at the time!

Nice Work Schumacher, can't wait to get hold of one :thumbsup:

still some of the best fun and closest racing you can have:thumbsup:

Agreed,

will be with this car too :thumbsup:

well never raced mardaves only got my first one last week even though its 30years old my 3year old daughter loves it but i must say that shumacher looks ace and i might get one just because of how nice it looks even if i never race it :thumbsup:

The car looks fantastic! Had one in the shop a few times now as its been developed!

The rules our club is going to run to are pretty simple.

13.5t motor
1s
Any speedo, timing allowed as people will probably be using older equipment which won't support blinky!
Foam tyres, no additive
No diff at this time

No one can say its better than a Mardave yet, There is no results to prove it.

I got a Mardave last year and had a bunch of fun racing it. Wont say anything bad about them, because they are far from bad.
What I will say is its great that there is some stonking competition.
I really hope Mardave can step up their game.
:)

Thats what it needs!

There has been no competition to the mardave before... so lets see what happens.

on another note, its by no means a pan car. The wheels are the same size & fitment as the Mardave.

agreed with this :) I think this car has been developed to take on the new mardaves the only problem is when everyone starts racing these type of cars it will ruin the mardave racing as there will be far to many different set ups to keep the racing close. We have already seen this at our club with people running vrxs and 1s lipos I can only just keep up with them with my stock dave but thats only because I am a good driver. If i started running a shuey or vrx then I would just end up lapping people for fun. Then I might as well just run my buggy inside again.

only comaparrisons in lap times on same track layouts........ supose thats proof enough!!

Tisher - Thought you only started running Mardave because you didn't like being lapped when you raced buggy:p:lol:

I don't race mardave but I think the Schumacher car looks great and will provide some good competition. I do think the rules need to be looked at and standardised. In our club some cars are rapid fast and others dog slow with each driver claiming to be running to the proper rules. I think 13.5 on 1s would be good but not sure about no additive

Means i could get a ford anglia bodyshell :thumbsup::thumbsup:

:woot::lol::lol:only when you where racing :lol: plus I was running a 7 year old zx5:thumbsup:I still have not had the chance to run the new 44.1 in anger yet waiting for you boys to turn up:lol:I am just enjoying the keeping up with the old boys with the daves at the moment until the weather gets better and I can get outside with the buggys

More chassis=better competition=development, if you keep certain rules the same, like no additive, no diff, wheelbase and car width, then what is in the middle of it all and your thumbs will make you faster/slower. Considering this car is only £25 above the cost of a budget mardave, £10 more than a VRX CE, it isn't going to break the bank.....

With this car being in the works for a while, why do you think Mardave have been working hard....

dont see why there can not be 2 classes, one "spec" and one more open, pretty sure the top level Mardave is faster than the entry one anyway?

I like that one too... plus the retro Revolution type wheels!

sure theres still mk1 escort van shells, capris, mk2 granada estate, 3dr sierra cosworth and my personal favourite for proper racing... mk2 Transit Van!!!!

Just seen the Caravans you can get too... :woot:

Had the Starlet body on my Mardave and it looked dead cute... as it whipped past a proper 1/12th in practice at Ardent with 7.4V saddles! :thumbsup:

Here's my bodyshell ready and waiting for the car to show up!!

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...y/8944fabb.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...y/33fc15d4.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p...y/f3e73fe0.jpg

It is proposed to have a stock kit class and an open class, see the link posted above for the full set of rules that are proposed.

The politics is not a Mardave thing, it is a 12th oval thing. It unfairly gets the 'Mardave' label because that is the only car they use, and the manufacturer gets tagged with a label it does not deserve. We've had no politics at all in the Circuit Racing events supporting the BRCA Nationals, and will be making sure it stays that way. Mardave and Chris Wilkinson have been really supportive of the series, and excellent partner for an inaugural season. Mardave is the original 12th car on which may of us cut our 12th teeth 30-odd years ago. It's good to see it still around and still attracting drivers.

Schumacher will put some competition into this class, and that usually makes it more attractive, not less. The posts above reflect that. As for their chassis being faster than the Mardave chassis, that's not proven. As there is more interest in the class there is more development and then racing gets closer as we all exploit as much from the tyre as we can. Racing gets closer, not further apart. Look at 12th Spec racing - five different chassis, a dozen different motors, scores of different cells and many different speedos - and less than 10% difference in laps across a field of 60 drivers!

I think the Schumacher car will generate a lot of ideas for racing various combinations of electrics. As long a people remember that BRCA Rules are for National competition, and that Clubs should find classes (as many as you like!) that get drivers in and racing, then this is going to inject some new life into RC. One variation is not better or worse than another - the best variation is the one that gets you more drivers at your Club. To get more drivers, simply have more variations!

Looking forward to seeing one in the flesh...

Looks like a good deal to be had here: http://www.broadgate4models.co.uk/sc...ox-1-12th.html

:thumbsup:

I love the look of it - as an ex v12 racer it can only help to have more competition. But to be honest I don't think it'll make me sell up my Carisma 14th scale TC which to me is still beyond these two in terms of tech, adjustability, and I'll take a stab in the dark and say replacement parts price too. for a cheaper price

http://www.cmldistribution.co.uk/cml...lleryImage=3#G

But I can't wait to try a superstox and have my mind changed.