Leccy 8th buggys
 

I guess it belongs in the 'smelly thigns' section - since it's a smelly thing thats gone clean.... but who's thinking of trying some coverted 8th electric buggy if it's allowed at certain events in the future?

there was talk of a class at the next neo race, and who know - if it catches on a little then other big races might allow it.. not sure it would work against nitro buggys, I guess it would need its own specific class.

I just wonder how it would develop if it actually caught on properly, because I imagine a scaled up 10th buggy (obviously made a bit stronger) would kick any 8th scale buggy to death on a race track. but that's just a guess :)

I've just ordered a bunch of gear to put a leccy 8th together, most of the stuff's from the USA, will keep u posted when it arrives and got it going :thumbsup:

I sense a step by step write up of your conversion James - haha, go on you know it would be interesting :)

What will you use for power?

Piespeed of course!

I am tempted and it would make it more accesible to people, as tracks won't be constrained with noise regulations and limitations on use cause of it.

neu 1512 2.5 brushless ....

tuned by piespeed

you'll love this jim, the conversion is called the 'EJAMMIN' :drool:



It'lbe the Dogs at Blyth . . I wanna be the first to hold a UK 8th brushless meeting .. !

I'm onto it too Jimmy, anyone want a nicely run in OS V-spec? :lol:

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I'm looking at getting an RC8 with Neu or Novak motor setup. Been reading into it for a while. People are running monster batteries (some guys run 2 x 11.1v 8000mah packs in parallel which gives massive run times and incredible speed) and I've seen one compete at club level very successfully against the nitro's. It's expensive though!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=n-w8FALSyC8

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mukJ0c...eature=related

http://www.oople.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gifThere are two things missing from those clips, the sound and the smell, undoubtedly quick but how sterile and boring is that?
I appreciate what DCM is saying about opening it up for those clubs with noise restrictions, but I'm not too sure on any other enviromental benefits. Manufacturing and disposing of any battery presumably has consequences that are probably equal to running nitro.http://www.oople.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

its fast easy clean and ace
cant wait guess are old hong nor will be converted as soon as the X2 is out

I find driving a car ON MY OWN quiet and boring also - that's what this guy was doing.

But like I said to phil at neo buggy when he said the exact same thing as you - nitro is far quieter and less sociable. why? well you can't hear anything but an engine. At an electric race you'd get cheers, heckles and comedy. That's what I think of when I think of electric off road. The HUGE nitro races I've been to seem a heck of a lot less sociable and near-silent (when you take away the rather obnoxious engine noises). :thumbsup:
The big electric races I've been to, have sometimes been mindblowingly alive with sound - one that sticks out is Neil Cragg racing at the Euros in 2006 in Austria, with a large UK team doing verbal battle with a large austrian crowd, it was ace :D


probably totally wrong there, but that's my experience.

A lot of tracks have usage restrictions due to the noise, the two local tracks for me, one track can't even start an engine before 10am, the other has had to errect a big fence to help reduce the noise.

My local buggy club (if it was big enough) could run the 8th scale elec conversions, but not Nitro, due to the noise. It is more an enviromental as in noise that stops clubs rather than the battery disposal, although LiPo is more friendly in that respect.

http://www.oople.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gifI'm the first to confess that my rc racing is very limited travelwise and and I haven't experienced the large scale meetings that most on here have.

Sadly though I'm a true dinosaur, a child of the 70's, and I just love the sound and some of the smells of different engines. First experience in the late 60's was travelling in the back of my friends Dad's Chevrolet Camaro RS convertible listening to a small block Chevy on open pipes. Once I got mobile it was screaming Japanese two strokes followed by big bore four strokes.

We're still sociable at our club, there's friendly banter on the rostrum and a barbeque at every meet once the racings finished. Sadly I can't vouch for spectator participation as our racings not good enough to draw a crowd!

I shall never say never though and if electric is the future of 1/8th I'll probably get drawn in. The up side would hopefully be the run times and less maintenance on a motor as opposed to an engine.

I'm not sure they'd end up allowing 2 x 11.1 v 8000 mah lipo's for racing the same way as your not allowed anything bigger than a .21 in a buggy.http://www.oople.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

Electric 8th at the Neo..... shhhhhh Jimmy that's a secret :D

On a serious note, it's by far not set in stone, perhaps looking a little unlikely at the moment.

http://www.oople.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gifI know there are only three truggies here, and it still sounds sterile, but one of either one of these is jumping really well or the the distance on that triple isn't as big as it looks.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Ye17...eature=related:D

Got to be honest i started work on a 1/8 electric buggy last summer, got a base car and most of the electrics, but other projects became more pressing on my time (S2 & Atomized B44), and i sold the buggy and most of the parts.

But it has been something i have been thinking about again during the last week, and now with Novak getting on board, its seems things are moving along nicely and becoming a little more mainstream.

So S8 anyone :thumbsup:

I think some people like 8th scale BECAUSE its nitro, the same way people like motocross because of the noise, smell sound, can you imagine electric brushless motocross bikes? now that would be weird!

I really love electric racing, but I also absolutely loved racing a nitro car at the Neo last year, the fact it was nitro was half the fun.

I do think electric 8th scale does have its place, I think it could be very cool, but I think they should still keep servo brakes, that is another fantastic thing about 8th scale buggies, the brakes are awesome, and nice mechanical mechanism that can be tuned and played with.

I don't think it's going to replace anything but the idea of massive jumps and electric ease & power all built into a near bullet-proof car is quite appealing. Agreed on the brakes, not sure it's practical but the 8th brakes look cool! :lol: I was too slow with the camera, but tom did a nice nose- wheelie into one of the corners, back wheels right in the air.

I was just about to say, and I have pleaded with Tekin who are looking at it, to have a facility to keep the disk brakes and not the artificial brake on the esc (plus it would take a bit of strain off the ESC)

I love 8th scale, but unless you got a pit bitch, you are kinda struggling to race nitro, so brushless overcomes that.

with regard to the brakes, you just need a y-lead to split the signal, or use channel 3 mixing with channel 2, and just dial out the brakes..... disk brakes are just far better.

They did try an electric mx bike chris. It was very fast and light, but as you say, it never had that nice 2 or 4 stroke noise so it never took off (and it was bloody pricey). I like the idea of an 8th leccy car and would be interested in giving one a whirl!!! Bit more robust and loooooonnnngg runtimes apeal to me

The only reason we are not all riding electric motocross bikes yet is because the technology isn't there yet. The logistics of running and charging electric bikes are the limiting factor, not the fact that people would miss the noise (although I'm sure a few will!).

There are electric off road bikes being developed and they are starting to be seen in places but bang for buck it's not quite there yet.

I personally believe brushless buggies are the future whatever the scale. They are clean, easy to maintain and easy to understand. You don't 'need' 2 x 8000mah packs to make em run, these guys are extreme examples but you do need more volts than on 10th scale.

Jonathan - I would like to be the first to order an S8 please mate :thumbsup:

Its early days yet, but things like length of race's / finals etc would be handy to know so you can build the car around the lipo you are going to need, been looking at a 30c 4s (14.8v) 4500, i understand that would be good for 10-15 minutes maybe.

I will bear you in mind Carl :thumbsup:

this picture was taken at coventry on 26th nov 2006!!! bit before lipo's but still very quick!

The brakes thing is fairly easy I guess - the Schumacher Menace GTRe 'thing' had a free wheel system via a one way bearing that decoupled the motor on overrun so that you still had a mechanical brake. Perhaps when you do the initial setup on the esc you could set the full brake position at 100 percent then turn brake end point down to zero. That should make a fwd and no brake set up - or am I wrong?

Perhaps a heat of J82 cars would be an easier solution -although not as tough as an RX buggy.

I love the idea - mainly just the thought of a reallly strong robust powerful 1/10th buggy I suppose - Racing on the 1/8th tracks would be awesome but you could also run them on a lot of the 1/10th Tracks!

Just imagine the jumps and huuuuge air - can only think how cool it would be and for someone that's only ever raced electric it saves a lot of hassle / time / money / maintenance plus not having to start off learning all about engines and how to tune them etc....

The other thing for me is how many people fail at 8th races due to cuts?? In 1/10th it's pretty rare to drop out other then breaking your car (which usually is driver error) so i guess that part could be more appealing to some people too??

You could still maintain pit stops if you had to change cells at least once in a race or something too!

All the videos ive seen of electric 8th look ace, but it seems way expensive to convert a buggy with the huge motor and lipos needed??

Probably no more then a few gallons of fuel and a decent engine?? I guess the other thing is that it should last you years really.....

i like the idea of no pit mate, that way people like me(no mates:cry: ) could still go racing alone:thumbsup:

Yeah i found getting off the rostrum and refuelling your own car to be hard work let alone time consuming.

Wanna be my friend Griff:lol::thumbsup:

although i love the 1/8th scene especialy as its the most popular class at the mo , i would like to have ago with a lecy 1/8th.
i just dont want to see the gas 1/8ths disapear ( i dont think they will :thumbsup:) as its the noise and smell that appeals to me , i have raced electric ( as a second class ) and its far too quiet :lol: sure you get to hear the crowds reaction but that dont matter to the likes of me or 95% of the drivers out there , 1/8th gas is king !!!!! long live 1/8th gas

Nope brushless is much more cost than nitro. Just for some decent lipo cells alone you are talking the same price as a top notch engine, then add a motor and ESC. The idea of pit mates is something I think that makes nitro good for the social side. You are forced to make friends, especially when you do big meetings with christmas tree finals and you need 1 person to marshal your point and 1 or 2 people pitting for you.

I have meet many people in RC this way when people in my usual racing crowd are busy pitting for others, it just forces you to socialise with people you wouldn't ordinarily. But electric is quieter, so has the social side there.

But yeah, more cost, a lot more. But you get simplicity. Engines are usually good, about 80% of the time, but the 20% of the time they cause hassle it gets REALLY frustrating. Electric 10th is just too weak. You can imagine at a track like the Neo, something nice and big, you would need at least a 7 turn motor to match the speed of rallycross. And at that speed the smallest scrape with anything would snap anything in half.

So yes, electric in 8th scale buggies seems the future. It's certainly not new, a guy has done it down my local club for years now. It's just getting popularity to race on a bigger scale. If people are interested I say start converting buggies, so we can start racing :)

I can agree with the weakness, but certainly not the speed.

Agreed mr doughty.

I'm with Griff on the no pit stop thing ...... that is the reason I had to stop racing 1/8th ..... no pit crew meant it was about as much fun as doing a full days work at a job you hate, going to the dentist for major work then going straight into another full shift at a job you hate even more than the first one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I loved racing the 1/8th cars but it is totally impossible to have a good day if you show up on your own ..... spend most of the pre-race meeting trying to find somebody to help you then having to deal with somebody different who doesn't know your car each and every meeting!!!

Just made it feel like work too much :(

Leccy 1/8th best of both worlds..... ????????

Id be very tempted by 8th leccy. The main reason for me not running Nitro is all my work is done in the kitchen - and I wouldn't want to work on a Nitro car in there like I would need to. Leccy changes this.

Motocross bikes sound cool though, especially off the line when there's 30 of them - I have to say Nitro buggies reallllly don't do it for me noise wise - they're more like Bee's rattling around in a tin - nowhere near as nice as the old 125, 250 and 500 2-stroke crossers - i still love that sound now!

I agree nick the 2 strokes sound sexy, the 4 strokes just dont sound as good:thumbdown:



Also with nitro cars, i hate the way the fuel just covers one side of the car and all the sh!t sticks to it. Ill probably still have another go with them in the near future even though 10th is so much faster and better in every way.


I would love to see a supercross track here in the uk for 10th though:thumbsup:

Why don't any of the 8th cars have rear exit exhausts?

because the leader wont get their fair share of grime :D