End of Mardave
 

Just seen this article on carpetoval forum

http://carpetoval.com/forums/9-gener...end-of-mardave

not exactly the end of mardave is it, but something to laugh at while stuck at work on a friday night.

I raced mardave circuit for a few years, and they are great fun. There is one fundamental problem with them in my eyes......

They are really basic and cheap which is great for newcomers, but my god do they look crap. Hardly something a kid is going to see in a shop next to all the usual HPI range etc and go "oh daddy look i want the one thats a slab of metal with wheels"

Dont get me wrong, they are great cars. Personally though i think it takes a recommendation from a friend etc for people to buy them though. If they are on the shelf in a shop they wont sell. They are just too basic.

Just leave shell on looks as good as te next car :p

love the phrase "does this man have any integrity or morals ??"

he wasnt using much of either when he posted and quoted business emails

That sort of think is hardly right to discuss on a public forum! If one company has fallen out with another company that really should not be aired like a load of dirty laundry.

In defence of Mardave though, I think they provide some of the best fun and closest racing of any circuit class. The new cars and hop up parts that Chris has released over the last few months has given us cars that we could only dream of a few years back. Take a look at the new carbon CE chassis and the adjustable alloy rear pod - these new cars will certainly stand up beside most other makes on a model shop shelf!

On a slightly different note though, I would like to thank Chris for all the help and support he has given me and my local club. He supported us extremely well when we hosted a Mardave National Open meeting, every order the club has placed for spares to stock the club shop has been honoured very efficiently and quickly and he has also been a great help with all my own racing problems and questions.

The RC hobby needs a class like Mardave for those of us who like the fun, simple racing. People need to keep their own personal business personal, stop sniping and get on with racing.

James

http://m.facebook.com/TeamMardave?__...user=679228930


Not so ugly anymore. And morals the guy has none
Mardave will be around for another 40 years too
Chris

Best of luck to Chris and Mardave, its up to the manufacturer to decide who sells their products and judging by the way this has been dealt with he is better off on his own!

Really hope he has some registered designs on his components too!!

Not one to take sides, however its not very professional to air private business emails on a public forum is it? Lets hope all of the new suppliers dont mind about the potential of their emails being disclosed. I'd take that down if I was them.

But after four years of loyal service to just get crapped on like that? Wouldent you be miffed.
(Ps i dont know whats gone on behind closed doors but i know russel and he is a nice bloke)

As I said I dont know what's going on and I dont personally know any of the guys, but as business practice its bad form.

Maybe the internet aint the palce for this to be posted hope they sort it out

I wish he'd flog the rights to the Cobra onto someone
who wants to put some developement into it(new gearbox for starters)
and make it into a cheap competative club racer in the way
that Ansmann has with its Mad Rat/Monkey series.

That's my only moan about Mardave as is at the present.

Quite a few of us run Cobras still with quite a few Mardave parts
on them,but by the looks of Mardave's swish new website,we're
going to struggle for parts(let alone new cars)because the Cobra
isn't even mentioned on there.

I don't think that the Cobra is financially viable these days, do you?

Hi all just two points. I will nit go into details as feel enought has already been said. I wish Russell all the best in his new venture.

Right cobra still I'm stock. New diff is on order fibre lite will be doing carbon bits and I hope to have more info soon. We have been working on this for some time and want to roll it out with or without our new brushless system. I will also sort web site so all parts will be available this week

Many thanks
Chris
Mardave

That's great news, thanks for the update.

I second that i feel this was not the right time to drop such a bomb shell on any customer that is like putting the screw in the coffin. what is needed is for the mardave to catch up with the all the other developments that are being done. we all know that Shooy will release their new car in the next few weeks, unless Mardave get their finger out and listen to what the guys want instead of fire fighting every development people make then the car would be a class leader. i know i have been up this path with chris with the P2 chassis that has now been seen in belgium and other parts of the country as well. what is needed is for a development section of Mardave where idea's are looked at and tried when we released the P2 chassis we had so much flack that it was un-real.
One person even wanted to stamp on it if he seen it at his track that sort of comments do nothing for bringing the car forward. To be quite frank i will be having the new shooy car. as i know they will go on and on making the car better and better.
As for russel at TIC racing well he is a nice guy and i have loads of time for this man as he listens to things.
maybe if this does not get resolved mardave may well be dead and gone with 26 business going to the wall each week this is not the time nor the place to cut off ones nose to spite the face.

Purely from an outsiders stand point it seems strange that a website that was setup to sell mardave parts for the last 4 years has now had their mardave support pulled when finally after all that time you can now order parts direct from the mardave website now :rolleyes:

Some thing just not just ring right does it!!!!:woot:

You tell me.

It isn't. I've not seen a cobra in over 5 years!

theres a guy that runs 1 at don valley seen it a few times,id love one wanted 1 since i was a nipper but didnt know you could get parts for them

Best look in here then Col:

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27465

Most are modded and tweaked.

I do find it strange that as Mardaves are supposed to be a cheap fun class, oval racing seems to have the most bickering and willy waving which does nothing to help the class. Just look at all the posturing over the P2 chassis for example.

I don't know what has happened behind the scenes as Mardave still seems to be supplying all it's other customers but I must admit if I was a manufacturer supplying TIC Racing I would probably be reconsidering my position.

Although the thread does seem to be hilariously derailed by Viper ably demonstrating he has no knowledge of how the BRCA or businesses work.:lol:

TIC are the worst company I've ever dealt with, by far !

I think if Schumacher get into the 'Mardave' game, Mardave will die. As much as I've loved Mardave cars over the last 22 years, they are no Schumacher !

As long as Schumacher can keep the cost right down, Schumacher have won. Maybe they will win, even if the cost goes up ? Having said that, I've just bought two VRX CE Mardaves with diffs and they cost me £105'ish each. For what you get, that's not cheap. I still remember the days of £55 (car, 4 cell, speedo, motor and charger). The CE does not even come with a motor !

I think this is where Mardave are going wrong. They're no longer the cheap class they were. Once you've bought a VRX, added a diff, carbon chassis and an alloy pod you've just about reached the money of a good 12th pan car. Which would you rather have?

Which would you rather sustain breakage and tyre costs for? Exactly. The cost of everything has gone up. Give Chris some credit for what he does. The price he negotiated on the carbon chassis really was fantastic.

I'm not knocking Mardave :) All i'm saying is it's no longer the low cost class it once was.

The breakages issue, fair enough, but the tyre price difference versus 12th scale isn't huge to be honest.

it still can be £65.95
http://www.mardave.co.uk/rc-car-kits...duct-1225.html

it would seem it just depends on what class you want to race in

To the untrained eye (that would be mine) that looks exactly like the ministock I had approx 100 years ago as my first car...

No dude, that is a basic V12, good for a starter into the hobby, it can then be upgraded as you progress, and with thoes V10 body mounts you could go and race it as a Banger, as the class has reverted back to the resistor board only, no esc's for this years BRCA nationals, club might be different though although most are resistior board only I think.

The Mini's I know and love from the late 80's, had a one piece red front cross member. Loved those cars :thumbsup:

That must mean I'm at least 200 years old LOL :thumbsup:

I've just test run my first mini (CE) in 15 years up and down the road, FANTASTIC !!! All ready for club night :)

Seriously?

Just for the Mardave 1/12th oval Bangers.
We dont even have lipo or brushless in 1/12th oval yet!

Whether Schumacher takes over any of the many oval classes is entirely down to the racers as a lot of the BRCA classes specify that a Mardave car must be used. Mardave will only lose out if the drivers vote in the Schumacher cars, which surely will only happen if the majority of drivers want to run the Schumachers.

Our club runs Mardaves, if it's not made by Mardave it's not allowed.
Motors, ESC's and batteries are unlimited.
As long as the prices stay reasonable and parts are easily available then nothing will change.
Pan cars and Schumachers are totally different, I've used TIC, I've bought direct from Mardave, I've bought off eBay, as long as we can get parts to continue our racing then I don't think as a club it's an issue.

The only thing that has got me about Mardaves is that parts can be so cheap that postage ends up being more than the item you're buying!!

Noooooooo!

Well everyone has moved from manuals to esc's. Manual speed controllers are one of the things that puts people of racing. We are runnings esc's at our club and I doubt we will ever go back (we would loose members if we did)

As to kit price, as far as i am aware Schumacher will be getting their kits built in china so their costs will be cheap compared to mardave who still build things in the uk (less units and more expensive labour costs). So I would expect the price to be in the same ball park, they could theoretically be cheaper.

I just hope for positives and the addition of a new chassis expands the class so they can both have a profitable chunk going forward.

However as quoted above, if the brca is still obsessed with keeping oval etc in the 70's then I can't see another chassis being allowed.

i dont find this suprising at all...... look at the forums:
rc circuit races make a that P2 chassis.
Tic racing Buys the Rc Circuit races website.
Mardave pulls out from Tic racing.

Long live mardave..........

Oh Jay the warrior so ill informed mate its almost making me cry :lol:
seems like you are going to be very busy chappy stamping on all the P2 chassis that TIC are about to produce do you know why Mardave is in the dark ages because of people like you with little or in your case no vision and its not rc circuit racers its RCCIRCUITCARS Durrrrrrrrrrrrr:p:p

Watch this space Jay because all is about to change in the Mardave dominated class just like i told you on the site a few months back. seem like in a few months mardave will be able to hold race meetings in a phone box dont say you did not see it coming!!!!!

TIC RACING now all the rights on the P2 chassis as well and as we talk they are developing it ready for a proper launch so dig out your best stomping boots cus you going to be one hell of a busy boy

From a casual observers point of view why get the P2 when the CE carbon beats it at race events?

the thing is mardave is a budget class which is now based around beginners and having fun all these mods and new chassis's are for the people who want to change there arnt that many folk out there that do want all this to change.theres the odd few willing to follow where the class is going where its been led by these bum holes that want it to be something its not.

simple thing really if people want to use it they will if they dont they wont get a grip over yourself.mods or no mods its down to driver skill and setup if they do well or not yes some mods help but most of them are basicly just there to make them look pretty for the show offs.

i for 1 am interested in the new schumacher car but i know for a fact its going to be expensive compared to a mardave to buy and run.and from what ive seen of the chassis it looks abit manic theres that much chucked on it.

as far as i can see tic racing have pissed on there own bonfire!