CML Centro C4.1 Finished pics
 

Thought I'd start this one off. Ready to rock at Caldicot last night. Awesome paint work by Steve Curtis-Rich. :thumbsup:

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...1112-00589.jpg

Body off pictures please Gaz :)

As requested. :)
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...1111-00582.jpg

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Awesome!! Looks brilliant! At last we have the pleasure of seeing production buggy on the rug :) how did she drive? More info please? ;)

Kyosho springs??

Yes! :0)
AE springs are very rarely ran these days especially on the front!

Share the wealth! So what part numbers do I need??

Im running silver all round on my Vega, be interested to try the K springs out to see the difference.

Are they a nice fit on the AE V2 shocks??

what reason for :confused:

cheers :)

No...

We pretty much always use AE springs, for me most commonly blue front and silver rear, Phil, Neil and Bradders tend to use silver both ends. On a couple of tracks this year, Neil has used Yokomo black on the front which are a similar rate to AE silver but slightly longer and more progressive. Whatever you like to use on your B4/B4.1 will be a good starting point on your Centro.

One limitation with the AE springs is the variety in rates up front - it is quite a jump from blue to silver for example (.4 lb/in). I usually stick with blue because these are the most consistent spring I find, certainly on Astro/carpet or grass. The only time I have used Kyosho is on the clay for the Euros when I used yellow front.

The appeal of Kyosho springs is that they have a range of weights which are close together and enable fine tuning. It's fair to say some of the guys are persuing set ups using these but to say that AE are rarely used is wrong.

Enjoy your cars!

Nice one Yardee, thanks for explaining :thumbsup:

I'll stay with AE springs then, saved me a few quid!

Nice work Gareth :thumbsup:

both Cragg and Bradders ran associated silver front and green rear at worksop last weekend, they look to have the deeper b44.1 spring cups on the front though

I thought it has the deeper spring cup on the front anyway.

Yes it does.

Sorry but there Kyoshos!!!!! :p

http://www.cmldistribution.co.uk/pro...rs-Worksop.pdf

Anyone with a good set of eyes can read that!!!!!!!!!!

Oswestry regional and more from memory! :blush:

Loved it. :wub First time out with it & first 2wd race since the F2's and by the final I'd got my average lap time down to 0.4s off my fastest.

As Yardy says above regarding the springs. The rears on the picture above are similar to AE silvers but the colour matches my shell & wheels. :p

that explians it then, i dont have a good set of eyes, went on pictures i had and saw silver

Here is mine.

And here's me thinking B4 and B44 rear wishbones were the same.......?

Obviously not, anyone know the differences...?

They're interchangeable but made from different plastics. B4 arms are harder than those from a B44, B4.1 are even softer.

They are the same, but i think there talking about using the plastic zero degree B44 rear hub carriers instead of the B4.1 0.5 degree aluminium ones as...........???

Hey,

I don't have the details with me here, but if memory serves.

The B4.1 arms are the softest.
Then the B44 arms
Then the carbon b4 arms are the stiffest.

MiCk B. :-)

Whilst this setup does talk about the rear hubs, I strongly suspect the note about B44.1 wishbones is a reminder that it WASN'T the 'Graphite' version.

Yes you're right in saying the B4/B44 vs B4.1/B44.1 plastic is slightly different, but it has become the norm to use the 'graphite' version as a tuning aid as it's significantly stiffer.

If you were to run the 'graphite' arms on you AE cars, then you will need to modify them to fit an extra ball-stud for the anti-roll bar. This is mainly when used on the B44.1, as a roll bar isn't yet commonly used by the team on the Centro.

Hope that helps

cant see that theres a plastics difference, and as far as i can see its just the pick up for the anti roll bar thats different.

Oh there is definately a difference between old B4 and new B4.1 plastics. It was obvious building the SC10 FT, the plastics were a lot softer and more flexible. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it does make the graphite parts a tuning aid.

:)

What handling characteristics does the B4.1 plastic vs Graphite arms effect on the C4.1???

I say C4.1, as the shock is rear mounted meaning any flex should be in an antisquat angle - not a bad thing, can add stability if I am guessing rightly.

Whereas on a front mounted shock (B4/B4.1) the flex is in a pro-squat movement, and is a bad thing.. as long as im guessing rightly...

Beautiful (and on topic...) :)

The graphite rear arms don't provide as much flex so will a)stop the driveshafts popping out, b)also make the rear end a bit more stiffer and give you a bit less side bite if required from what I've tried I think.

The standard non graphite arms provide more flex so more grip due to this but are prone sometimes to drives popping out due to this.

Only reasons bradders runs them from a chat a while ago with him.
Don't think there's any other reasons he gave me from memory

Gaz

Gaz, cheers but effects on C4.1 won't be as negative on a B4.1 as shock at other side of wishbone (prosquat flex vs antisquat flex) - totally different handling effects due to the flex.. Thats the whole reason of me asking, sorry dude.

I have guessed for myself, and I can test for myself... just fishing for a response from Yardy, Bradders or Cragg to answer from experience....

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Sorry for steering the topic of-course.
Here's my finished C4.1

Thank you Wes for the super-quick screws in the post, really appreciate that. Its an awesome kit, looks stunning finished.

Gor blimey coco! Where are your normal colours gone?
Looking good:thumbsup:

This is the new me, no more red white n blue or yellow - those colours are now less unique than when I first ran them so time to change. Since about early 2011 ive been white into flourescent green (doesn't show in the photos much) tribal flames, gunmetal grey main colour. Carls done me some prismatic lines on the C4.1, and done me a great job :thumbsup:

Ive also ran some single colour shells... but no more of the single colour jobbies...

I personally use graphite wishbones both ends on the C4.1 and graphite rears on my B44.1.

My thinking behind this is that they are just more consistent, you know that there's going to be no flex in the wishbones. The flexible ones I always think could possibly effect handling or disguise/exaggerate a set up error.

I don't think any of the other guys use the graphite wishbones, it's just something I have done for years, since the early years of having a B4.

Car's look good!

Cheers Tom. I'll stick with Graphite, they're already on.

I'm sure the standard kit ones in b4.1 kit are not carbon and plastic???
Have you changed them?
I might be wrong if I am then il add some to my list :thumbsup:

Hey,

Found the note I had on the AE rear arms.

Softest arm to hardest are:

B4.1 plastic arms #9582
B44 arms #9764
B4 Carbon arms #9583

Original post is here: http://www.rctech.net/forum/8912523-post2212.html

MiCk B. :-)

Retro
 

Hope you like it

A little understated don't you think :-)